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Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

#41
I wonder if the companies mentioned will cease to use lerna or cease to update lerna? Or if they'll just ignore the clause since the likelihood of any meaningful enforcement is about zero? For example, I checked the top two companies on the list and both Microsoft [0] and Palantir [1] are using lerna currently.

[0]: https://github.com/Microsoft/fast-dna/blob/705cb008a59efb4d8... [1]: https://github.com/palantir/blueprint/blob/3c360b50f6106f733...

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

#42

1. Put said line in license: The following license shall not be granted to the following entities or any subsidiary thereof due to their collaboration with US Immigration and Customs Enforcement ("ICE").... 2. Hosts said code on Github 3. Github is owned fully by Microsoft 4. Repo invalidates itself due to using free goods paid in part by ICE, thereby becoming a subsidiary.

Pretty sure that's not what "subsidiary" means legally. (IANAL)

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

#43
I use BlueprintJS a lot. And about a year into use I realised that "Palantir" is apparently a company people don't like. All I could think about is how this might become a nuisance if a colleague or customer decides they're going to be political about it.

These moves are frustrating. I just want to make neat stuff. I don't want to get involved in the politics of a country I have no interest in.

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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This is a ridiculous thing to put in a software license and a completely toxic subject in general.

> completely toxic subject I agree about "completely toxic". But it's the policy that's completely toxic, not the subject. I mean, separating babies from their parents? That is just fucking insane.

Yes, when you phrase something without context it's easy to make it sound insane.

When you include the context where they need to verify that it's not human trafficking and that children are separated from their parents every day when the parents are arrested for any other crime, it's not quite as insane.

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

#46

Slightly off-topic, but: anyone know where I can find a solid debate / discussion on the political issues raised by illegal immigration in the U.S.? My own views lean pretty strongly towards one end of the spectrum, and I simply can't understand why people would hold the opposite views. So I suspect I'm missing something.

The key issue isn't allowing or not allowing illegal immigration. It's about how supposedly illegal immigrants are treated.

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

#47
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> completely toxic subject I agree about "completely toxic". But it's the policy that's completely toxic, not the subject. I mean, separating babies from their parents? That is just fucking insane.

Yes, when you phrase something without context it's easy to make it sound insane. When you include the context where they need to verify that it's not human trafficking and that children are separated from their parents every day when the parents are arrested for any other crime, it's not quite as insane.

That sounds plausible. Except that this is happening on a much larger scale than your examples. And they're keeping families separated for months.

Edit: And what really freaks me about this is what's likely over the next few decades. As global climate change disrupts marginal economies, and migration volumes increase hugely. We're basically looking at concentration camps.

Edit: Some prisons now allow mothers to keep their children.

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

#48

1. Put said line in license: The following license shall not be granted to the following entities or any subsidiary thereof due to their collaboration with US Immigration and Customs Enforcement ("ICE").... 2. Hosts said code on Github 3. Github is owned fully by Microsoft 4. Repo invalidates itself due to using free goods paid in part by ICE, thereby becoming a subsidiary.

sub·sid·i·ar·y /səbˈsidēˌerē/

a company controlled by a holding company.

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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post #48

1. Put said line in license: The following license shall not be granted to the following entities or any subsidiary thereof due to their collaboration with US Immigration and Customs Enforcement ("ICE").... 2. Hosts said code on Github 3. Github is owned fully by Microsoft 4. Repo invalidates itself due to using free goods paid in part by ICE, thereby becoming a subsidiary.

sub·sid·i·ar·y /səbˈsidēˌerē/ a company controlled by a holding company.

honestly, im not exactly sure how that would work since the GH license does allow them complete nontransferrable ownership of code you keep there.

it'd certainly be one for the courts to decide. that is, if this little stunt doesn't kill this repo and this branch.

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sub·sid·i·ar·y /səbˈsidēˌerē/ a company controlled by a holding company.

honestly, im not exactly sure how that would work since the GH license does allow them complete nontransferrable ownership of code you keep there. it'd certainly be one for the courts to decide. that is, if this little stunt doesn't kill this repo and this branch.

GitHub absolutely does not require that. If GitHub required you to grant them nontransferrable ownership of code hosted there, that would be insane and nobody would use it. Thankfully it's much more reasonable. :)

Here's what GitHub actually says:

> We need the legal right to do things like host Your Content, publish it, and share it. You grant us and our legal successors the right to store, parse, and display Your Content, and make incidental copies as necessary to render the Website and provide the Service. This includes the right to do things like copy it to our database and make backups; show it to you and other users; parse it into a search index or otherwise analyze it on our servers; share it with other users; and perform it, in case Your Content is something like music or video.

> This license does not grant GitHub the right to sell Your Content or otherwise distribute or use it outside of our provision of the Service.

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