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Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by wukerplank »

Shinobi881 wrote: post #36

How is Ruby utilized outside of web development? For example: Python - Server - Cloud infrastructure SDK' - AI/Data - General scripting - Configuration management - Blockchain - ... JavaScript: - Browser - Server - Cloud infrastructure SDK' - AI/Data (however, not the most efficient choice) - General scripting - IoT - Blockchain - Mobile development - ... Basically, while Javascript may not be the most efficient choi…

Not sure if that makes it a gateway, but some tools for iOS/macOS development use it: fastlane and cocoapods are the most prominent ones. It's a great scripting language and good to develop DSLs.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by trelliscoded »

schizoidboy wrote: post #19
sho wrote: post #9

Of course it is. The question is kind of silly. For basically any startup, my advice would be: unless and until you can credibly explain a genuine reason why you can't use Rails - use Rails. I'm not some crazy fanboy but until someone can actually name a seriously competitive, batteries-included, all-in-one framework* which delivers everything, or even most of, what Rails does - it is very relevant and you ignore it…

> your list of 30 random npm packages does not satisfy the requirement I like Rails, but to be fair, doesn't Rails also require a list of 30 random gems? Unless things have changed, authorization and authentication aren't even built-in, so people have to navigate random third party gems, and remember, you don't want CanCan, but you want the fork, CanCanCan. Again, I like Rails, and maybe it's still the nearest to an…

> doesn't Rails also require a list of 30 random gems?

    my-MacBook-Pro:production-web-site me$ grep ^gem Gemfile | wc -l
      74
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, the framework isn't strongly coupled, tested as a whole, and opinionated like in Java and .NET land.

On the other hand, overriding the "default" Rails behavior for e.g. logging or SAML is pretty easy as long as you can find a gem compatible with the versions of all your other gems. This can easily spiral into out of control technical debt where you're stuck using gems from 6 years ago out of fear you'll tug on one of them and bring the entire house of cards tumbling down, but I've consistently been surprised at how little effort has been required to do gem upgrades as long as they're planned carefully.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by Jedi72 »

sho wrote: post #9

Of course it is. The question is kind of silly. For basically any startup, my advice would be: unless and until you can credibly explain a genuine reason why you can't use Rails - use Rails. I'm not some crazy fanboy but until someone can actually name a seriously competitive, batteries-included, all-in-one framework* which delivers everything, or even most of, what Rails does - it is very relevant and you ignore it…

Elixir/Phoenix is the spiritual successor to Rails. Same philosophy of batteries included, developer productivity focussed etc. But with lots of great new shiny things, for example websockets is built directly into the framework, its not an add-on. Its not a direct upgrade, but if you value Rails definitely check it out

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by amarsahinovic »

schizoidboy wrote: post #19
sho wrote: post #9

Of course it is. The question is kind of silly. For basically any startup, my advice would be: unless and until you can credibly explain a genuine reason why you can't use Rails - use Rails. I'm not some crazy fanboy but until someone can actually name a seriously competitive, batteries-included, all-in-one framework* which delivers everything, or even most of, what Rails does - it is very relevant and you ignore it…

> your list of 30 random npm packages does not satisfy the requirement I like Rails, but to be fair, doesn't Rails also require a list of 30 random gems? Unless things have changed, authorization and authentication aren't even built-in, so people have to navigate random third party gems, and remember, you don't want CanCan, but you want the fork, CanCanCan. Again, I like Rails, and maybe it's still the nearest to an…

Django fits that description.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by sidstling »

fyfy18 wrote: post #38
sidstling wrote: post #6

Almost every, and probably every, language that has been used for serious production is relevant in 2018. COBOL is still one of the most important languages in the belly of a lot of financial and public software. You wouldn’t build something new on cobol if you could avoid it of course, but rails is not cobol. Ruby and rails are still good at getting things out the door. I wouldn’t personally touch it, but that’s bec…

> We’ve been doing more and more JS/Node where I work because it’s really good at getting things done quickly, sort of similar to why you’d chose ruby and rails I assume people make them comparisons because both ecosystems have a lot of third party libraries, which means if you want to add some functionality there’s probably a library out there for it. I don’t really feel that comparisons like this are really that ac…

I only meant to compare them in the sense that they are both really good at getting a working prototype up and running fast.

You’re absolutely right that this requires knowledge of packages for node/js. We haven’t been using a whole lot of modules to achieve this, but we certainly haven’t used just Node/JS either.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by acangiano »

Do you want/need to build an SPA? Take something like React and pair it with an API built in Node/Go/Elixir or something that offers great performance out of the box.

Don't need an SPA? Rails is one of the most productive options out there.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by i_am_nomad »

amarsahinovic wrote: post #44
schizoidboy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your list of 30 random npm packages does not satisfy the requirement I like Rails, but to be fair, doesn't Rails also require a list of 30 random gems? Unless things have changed, authorization and authentication aren't even built-in, so people have to navigate random third party gems, and remember, you don't want CanCan, but you want the fork, CanCanCan. Again, I like Rails, and maybe it's still the nearest to an…

Django fits that description.

Came here to say the same thing, and add that with Django, you have access to the amazingly vast landscape of Python libraries. Just being able to spawn Celery jobs is a huge plus.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by atdt »

Optimizing for happiness is very good advice for beginners. The failure mode for beginners is to get overwhelmed, discouraged, and then give up. So it makes sense to pay more attention to how happy a particular programming environment makes you, and worry less about how marketable it is.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by acangiano »

Shinobi881 wrote: post #36

How is Ruby utilized outside of web development? For example: Python - Server - Cloud infrastructure SDK' - AI/Data - General scripting - Configuration management - Blockchain - ... JavaScript: - Browser - Server - Cloud infrastructure SDK' - AI/Data (however, not the most efficient choice) - General scripting - IoT - Blockchain - Mobile development - ... Basically, while Javascript may not be the most efficient choi…

Ruby is not uncommon in DevOps environments, but it's, for the most part, a language predominantly used for web development. I said before that Rails was mostly a blessing for Ruby, but also a bit of a curse.
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