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Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by chrisper »

zaro wrote: post #30
torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

My thoughts exactly, only that somebody else gets the downvotes :)

Doesn't look like your plan worked out.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by ethbro »

torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

I'm going to take issue with this, because I see this line of argument a lot on HN recently.

There is a fundamental difference between "like in kind" and "like in severity".

Do the US and China both monitor telecom? Yes.

Has the US built a national firewall? No.

Do the US and China both have legal processes for acquiring court ordered telecom intercepts? Yes.

Is the US legal system wholly subordinate to political goals? No.

Do the US and Chinese governments lean on companies to comply with their wishes? Yes.

Do US companies survive at the whim of the US government and generally lack independent legal recourse to fight pressure? No.

If you want to go through point-by-point with what's similar between Chinese and US data monitoring regimes, I'm happy to do so. But they aren't close to the same.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by PJDK »

torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

I don't see how this follows.

All countries have spy agencies - they usually have two roles to spy on other people, and prevent other people spying on them. This seems like a pretty reasonable state of affairs.

How does the fact Australia spies on China (one presumes) mean they shouldn't worry about China being able to spy on Australia?

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by pfortuny »

torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

You can most of the time choose your enemies and your allies. This is just one choice more.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by [deleted] »

bigcity wrote: post #17
close04 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take it your mobile phone is built in Germany, with German components. ;) It's just a matter of picking your poison. You think your Cisco router has no backdoors? Your Intel CPU? Your Windows OS? Your Gmail account? This isn't about making you safer, it's about removing competition (as crappy as it may have been). And they eliminate competition both economically and in the spying game. The more companies there are th…

As an EU citizen I certainly prefer to be spied on by a country with a working legal system.

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Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by trumped »

torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

I don't think it's just a show... they want to try to block China's access to our data because they want to be the only ones with it. Maybe I only have one brain cell left.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by r3bl »

mkj wrote: post #36
jazoom wrote: post #29

"This new architecture provides a way to circumvent traditional security controls by exploiting equipment in the edge of the network – exploitation which may affect overall network integrity and availability, as well as the confidentiality of customer data." Hey Australian Government. You know what also protects confidentiality of customer data? Encryption.

Encryption doesn't prevent denial of service, which is probably one of the big concerns.

The parent comment is referencing a batshit approach of the Australian government towards encryption: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/06/planned-l...

They're drafting a law that's going to require encryption backdoors. They're completely ignorant about the impossibility of having "secure backdoors", going as far as the Prime Minister saying:

> The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by spacehunt »

torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

> China is honest about what they’re doing

As far as I know, China has denied all allegations of them spying on Australia. Has this changed?

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by e40 »

ethbro wrote: post #42
torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

I'm going to take issue with this, because I see this line of argument a lot on HN recently. There is a fundamental difference between "like in kind" and "like in severity". Do the US and China both monitor telecom? Yes. Has the US built a national firewall? No. Do the US and China both have legal processes for acquiring court ordered telecom intercepts? Yes. Is the US legal system wholly subordinate to political goa…

I really dislike the "they're both the same" arguments. People do the same about the US political parties (and use this as an excuse to either not vote, or vote for their favorite side, based on this).

This thinking allows people to let the worse offender off the hook.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by striking »

sschueller wrote: post #39
ByThyGrace wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why especially the corneas?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10762-018-0497-z

"These findings suggested that damage to the corneal epithelium was not induced by corneal dryness alone, but by exposure of dried corneas to MMW-induced heat to above body temperature."

So as long as I don't microwave my corneas with my phone, I should be alright. Thanks!

edit: hell, even the researchers say this themselves:

"It is an important finding that corneal epithelial damage is induced by MMW exposure, accompanying very strong pain, although it is cured within 1–2 days after injury. Since humans blink more frequently than rabbits, exposure to these levels of MMW is unlikely to induce corneal epithelial damage in humans."

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