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Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 2:55 PM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #24

hardwaresofton wrote: post #20

The way this is titled makes the relation seem directional, and in the wrong direction... Basing self worth on social acceptance definitely predates Facebook, and Facebook addiction is a pretty obvious consequence of the positive feedback loop that you'd get form using Facebook to feed that part of yourself. Not defending Facebook or any other social network here, I personally think Facebook is likely toxic -- but I…

in any scientific article, if you reverse the causation in the title and it makes more sense, the author probably made an error. As a wise professor sitting in the audience said to the lecturer: "Normally we put the dependent variable on the Y axis".

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Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

zerealshadowban wrote: post #19

Since modern philosophy has been teaching that reality is a social construct, why wouldn't it follow that each individual self is too? Further, we have been taught that values are socially determined (market prices, fashion, popular arts, ...) and that for the individual the highest moral compass resides in the well-being of others (e.g. utilitarianism, charity drives, altruism, welfare programs, ...). Given this, wo…

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Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 3:02 PM UTC

cubano wrote: post #37

zerealshadowban wrote: post #19

Since modern philosophy has been teaching that reality is a social construct, why wouldn't it follow that each individual self is too? Further, we have been taught that values are socially determined (market prices, fashion, popular arts, ...) and that for the individual the highest moral compass resides in the well-being of others (e.g. utilitarianism, charity drives, altruism, welfare programs, ...). Given this, wo…

Social highly-if-not-totally weights appearance over almost all other forms of human interactions. In my experience, photos get about 10x the likes of text-based posts. We can argue the exact amount, but we all must notice that pictures get far most attention then everything else, correct? Given this, isn't that quite obviously the wrong type of validation people should be seeking? The superficiality of how one looks…

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Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by roflc0ptic » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 3:02 PM UTC

s-shellfish wrote: post #18

bdz wrote: post #14

Social media is the new smoking. Cancer destroys you physically but these sites destroy your mental health. Not just Facebook but Instagram too for example, it's even worse. And don't forget Twitter.

Totally agreed. It's just chaos, because the mind that constantly requires a reflection of itself to prove it is healthy is not a healthy mind to begin with. Behaving in that pattern in a conditioned sense opens oneself up for all sorts of manipulation, which long term, that's quite a bit of suffering (if there's no genuine connection between members of a social group, hence, the group is prone to rapid shifts in lik…

Yeah, as much as people complain about hacker news' negativity - and it certainly is around - there's still a high concentration of thoughtful people interested in having respectful conversations.

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by ekianjo » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 3:07 PM UTC

matz1 wrote: post #34

ekianjo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but in my experience the majority of users (at the very least the people I know who use it) just see it as a convenient way to keep up with what friends are up to and share interesting jokes/memes, it's certainly not destroying their mental health. It's a distraction. And a lot of people are addicted by it, so much they feel they need to "share" what they are doing or what they are thinking at least once a day. Thi…

Like any other thing in live, facebook can made your life better for some people, can make your life worse for some other. It what you make of it.

I was not suggesting a positive or negative answer. Merely a question to consider at the individual level.

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by s-shellfish » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 3:10 PM UTC

roflc0ptic wrote: post #44

s-shellfish wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agreed. It's just chaos, because the mind that constantly requires a reflection of itself to prove it is healthy is not a healthy mind to begin with. Behaving in that pattern in a conditioned sense opens oneself up for all sorts of manipulation, which long term, that's quite a bit of suffering (if there's no genuine connection between members of a social group, hence, the group is prone to rapid shifts in lik…

Yeah, as much as people complain about hacker news' negativity - and it certainly is around - there's still a high concentration of thoughtful people interested in having respectful conversations.

Yea, it seems to occasionally bubble up, unfortunately I've noticed that happens in real life to people as well, I suppose that is what gets called passive aggressive - deep internalized, unresolved issues. Always makes my heart hurts to watch.

At the end of the day, a lot of us here are developers, engineers, programmers, still. A knack for pedantry, precision, and clarity leads to coming to, and accepting an awareness. Otherwise, bugs, bugs, bugs. Bugs everywhere. Clear thinking. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, and so on.

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by snarfy » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

What would hacker news addiction be?

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by code_duck » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

hardwaresofton wrote: post #20

The way this is titled makes the relation seem directional, and in the wrong direction... Basing self worth on social acceptance definitely predates Facebook, and Facebook addiction is a pretty obvious consequence of the positive feedback loop that you'd get form using Facebook to feed that part of yourself. Not defending Facebook or any other social network here, I personally think Facebook is likely toxic -- but I…

The article states “people who believed they needed to be socially accepted in order to have worth as a person were at higher risk of using Facebook in compulsive and maladaptive way”.

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by naveen99 » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 3:28 PM UTC

Facebook, reddit, twitter, blind are like halfway betazoid telepathy on start trek. If you knew exactly how others judged you internally without them saying it, you would be devastated as a human. But the betazoids were fine. Maybe we just need time to develop coping mechanisms.

Re: Facebook addiction linked to staking your self-worth on social acceptance

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 3:33 PM UTC

naveen99 wrote: post #49

Facebook, reddit, twitter, blind are like halfway betazoid telepathy on start trek. If you knew exactly how others judged you internally without them saying it, you would be devastated as a human. But the betazoids were fine. Maybe we just need time to develop coping mechanisms.

> But the betazoids were fine

They’re also fictional. Privacy, i.e. the ability to hold thoughts and preferences to oneself, is intrinsically linked to agency. If everyone is looking for acceptance, we lose our places for madmen and geniuses.