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Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by CosmicSteve »

I think it could be safely assumed that vaporizing nicotine and propylene glycol would lead to some negative health implications. Still, great job by the researchers in building precident.

That being said, I'm personally curious above the health implications of dry herb being vaporized at a controlled temperature, that prevents any combustion, and controls the release of carcinogenic materials like Benzene/ammonia.(produced at around 400 degrees by marijuana vaporization)

Think of a scenario like this: what if one uses a Volcano Vaporizer with dry herb (marijuana). What are the negative health implications there at certain, controlled temperatures? What about the beneficial implications? Do they cancel out?

Or are the negative health implications on par with the sensationalized articles about eating cured meat giving you a whopping 2% overall increased risk of cancer? Basically, I'm very curious if there is a way to drastically reduce the risk of vaporizing with the controlled vaping of dry herbs vs. these e-liquids containing nicotine/other nasty things.

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Post by ben509 »

onemoresoop wrote: post #28
acchow wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does he base that conclusion on?

Silly headlines like e-cigarettes not as harmless as thought, etc..

Even this expert phrases it in a way that gives an impression that is completely contrary to reality:

> "I don't believe e-cigarettes are more harmful than ordinary cigarettes - but we should have a cautious scepticism that they are as safe as we are being led to believe."

I don't believe that crossing the street is more dangerous than cliff-diving, but we should be cautiously skeptical that it's safe.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by gaius »

rincebrain wrote: post #32
dave7 wrote: post #13

Key point from the article: "Any smoker considering e-cigarettes should switch completely without delay."

Yeah, this really strikes me as the difference between "breathing car exhaust without a catalytic converter is toxic" and "breathing car exhaust can still be toxic" - yeah, both are bad, but one of them is orders of magnitude worse.

yeah, both are bad

So vaping should continue to be banned everywhere that smoking is banned. Most people do not consent to breathing other peoples second-hand drugs.

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Post by dionian »

gaius wrote: post #43
rincebrain wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this really strikes me as the difference between "breathing car exhaust without a catalytic converter is toxic" and "breathing car exhaust can still be toxic" - yeah, both are bad, but one of them is orders of magnitude worse.

yeah, both are bad So vaping should continue to be banned everywhere that smoking is banned. Most people do not consent to breathing other peoples second-hand drugs.

is it even possible to get a perceptible amount of nicotine through second hand smoke? isn't it mostly water vapor and annoying smells?

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Post by gojomo »

dave7 wrote: post #13

Key point from the article: "Any smoker considering e-cigarettes should switch completely without delay."

To be clear: switch to e-cigarettes from traditional smoking, because per the speaker of the above quote:

Martin Dockrell, tobacco control lead at Public Health England, said: "E-cigarettes are not 100% risk-free but they are clearly much less harmful than smoking."

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by gaius »

dionian wrote: post #44
gaius wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, both are bad So vaping should continue to be banned everywhere that smoking is banned. Most people do not consent to breathing other peoples second-hand drugs.

is it even possible to get a perceptible amount of nicotine through second hand smoke? isn't it mostly water vapor and annoying smells?

Lung damage too, according to this research. How does anyone even think it's OK to do that to other people?

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by HEHENE »

excalibur wrote: post #39
dave7 wrote: post #13

Key point from the article: "Any smoker considering e-cigarettes should switch completely without delay."

The strategy that worked for me: 1) Find a flavor of e-liquid that you like well enough to use regularly. 2) Start off at the nicotine concentration that most closely replicates your smoking habit (for me 18mg ~ 1.5 packs/day) 3) Continue vaping at each concentration for a minimum of 2-3 months to ensure you are fully acclimated to one level before proceeding to the next. 4) Slowly reduce the nicotine level over time…

I'm currently stuck on 3mg, and have been for over a year. I followed almost the exact same steps as you, but found as soon as I switched to 0mg I hated it and quit vaping all together.... then went back to smoking a month later.

I like the chewing gum idea. I'm not necessarily an anxious person, but I always need to be doing something. E.g. if I don't have my vape in my hand, I'm chewing my nails. Really sucks.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by oliveshell »

nyeus wrote: post #31
oliveshell wrote: post #14

In this experiment, vapor "caused inflammation" and "impaired the activity of alveolar macrophages, cells that remove potentially damaging dust particles, bacteria and allergens." So it's not great for lung function, but sounds orders of magnitude less bad for you than smoking cigarettes. Anecdotally, I quit vaping recently, as I'd grown frustrated with the 'chasing the dragon' aspect (I was using its stimulant prope…

Off-topic: What did you end up replacing vaping for to help manage your ADHD? Or have you not found/(considered looking for) a replacement?

Firstly, I'm prescribed Vyvanse, which I find helps a lot— it's certainly my primary treatment method. I viewed the nicotine as a smaller, as-needed aid in persevering through long projects.

When I stopped (because I had my wisdom teeth extracted), I used a nicotine patch for a few weeks; however, I eventually found that simply being a little more physically active helped enough that I no longer feel the need for that extra cognitive "push".

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Post by LeftTurnSignal »

nyeus wrote: post #31
oliveshell wrote: post #14

In this experiment, vapor "caused inflammation" and "impaired the activity of alveolar macrophages, cells that remove potentially damaging dust particles, bacteria and allergens." So it's not great for lung function, but sounds orders of magnitude less bad for you than smoking cigarettes. Anecdotally, I quit vaping recently, as I'd grown frustrated with the 'chasing the dragon' aspect (I was using its stimulant prope…

Off-topic: What did you end up replacing vaping for to help manage your ADHD? Or have you not found/(considered looking for) a replacement?

Not OP, but myself and one other person has had some success with noopept and adrafinil (both in fairly small doses).

Noopept helped with thinking, while adrafinil helped with energy.

I still take them every once in a while. No ADHD meds for us anymore. YMMV

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by marenkay »

dave7 wrote: post #13

Key point from the article: "Any smoker considering e-cigarettes should switch completely without delay."

Or:

You could just survive 24 hours without smoking, after which physical challenge is over. From there on it is just a fight against your brain, and also being aware of the root issue that made you pickup smoking.

- ex-smoker

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