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Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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I ran a hackintosh around 2009-2010. I will never do it again. When I first got it all setup and had everything working, I thought it was the best thing ever. Then a security update came out and it completely wrecked my setup. I didn't own any Apple computers at the time, so to fix my broken setup I had to borrow a friend's macbook to fix my desktop. This happened to me 2-3 times before I reformatted and installed Linux.

Fast forward to present day, I have both a personal and a work macbook. I badly miss my Linux setup, but there aren't any other laptops that can compete with a MBP. I've debated installing Linux on my MBP, but then I'd be back to forcing an operating system to work on unsupported hardware.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can upgrade like you would on normal mac hardware

…but things often break, do they not?

For major releases like sierra -> high sierra it pays to wait 2-3 weeks and check around on forums for any issues. I had a few issues with some drivers going from Yosemite to El Capitan. My Sierra to High Sierra upgrade had no issues though. I have noticed bugs in the upgrade process have generally declined pretty steadily since I first started hackintoshing with Mavericks.

I never had any issues with minor releases with Sierra or High Sierra.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

#43

Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I look at it another way. Apple, as a company is failing to meet the needs of some of its users: - You can’t get an upgradable pro machine - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Every Hackintosh c…

> - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good)

You mean like, a PS/2 keyboard or what are you on about? Any bluetooth or usb keyboard works on any regular mac.

> - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that

Again, what are you on about? A hackintosh is running a just as ios-ivied macOS as a regular mac.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

#44

I ran a hackintosh around 2009-2010. I will never do it again. When I first got it all setup and had everything working, I thought it was the best thing ever. Then a security update came out and it completely wrecked my setup. I didn't own any Apple computers at the time, so to fix my broken setup I had to borrow a friend's macbook to fix my desktop. This happened to me 2-3 times before I reformatted and installed Li…

The hackintosh scene has come a long way since then.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

#45

Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I look at it another way. Apple, as a company is failing to meet the needs of some of its users: - You can’t get an upgradable pro machine - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Every Hackintosh c…

> - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) You mean like, a PS/2 keyboard or what are you on about? Any bluetooth or usb keyboard works on any regular mac. > - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Again, what are you on about? A hackintosh is running a just as ios-ivied macOS as a regular mac.

You are arguing against a point the parent doesn't make, they are arguing against using Hackintoshes at all. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17709707

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

#46
post #15

I really don't get it. The biggest appeal of Apple is their wonderful hardware. I dislike MacOS and it has been worse over the last years. It seems to me that a Hackintosh is the worst of both worlds. If you spend that much time hacking around the hardware anyways, why not use Linux ?

I hate MacOS and the way it's getting worse every release, but I don't hate it nearly as much as Windows, and how much Windows is getting worse every release.

> I don't hate it nearly as much as Windows, and how much Windows is getting worse every release.

As much as I try to maintain a fair and balanced point of view, that is a pretty low standard to meet. I work as a sysadmin at a windows shop (~75 clients), and I regularly have to deal with stuff that would make run away screaming if my trusty old GNU/Linux desktop gave me that kind of trouble. Handling updates for Windows alone is enough to send grown women and men into hysterical laughter. And then you look at license management for their server software, and you think you must have fallen asleep and woken up in some Kafkaesque nightmare[0].

[0] I am told vendors like SAP or Oracle are much worse. But still, Microsoft's licensing schemes are pretty ____ing insane.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

#47

Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I look at it another way. Apple, as a company is failing to meet the needs of some of its users: - You can’t get an upgradable pro machine - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Every Hackintosh c…

> - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) You mean like, a PS/2 keyboard or what are you on about? Any bluetooth or usb keyboard works on any regular mac. > - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Again, what are you on about? A hackintosh is running a just as ios-ivied macOS as a regular mac.

I think he's implying that you would run an older, less iOS-ified version of MacOS on the Hackintosh.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

#49

Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I look at it another way. Apple, as a company is failing to meet the needs of some of its users: - You can’t get an upgradable pro machine - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Every Hackintosh c…

> - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) You mean like, a PS/2 keyboard or what are you on about? Any bluetooth or usb keyboard works on any regular mac. > - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Again, what are you on about? A hackintosh is running a just as ios-ivied macOS as a regular mac.

> You mean like, a PS/2 keyboard or what are you on about?

I believe GP refers to the crapboards in the recent MacBook Pro lineup, which are amazingly bad. Also, IIRC Apple doesn't offer a real wired keyboard anymore.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

#50
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I'm the opposite. I was tired of jumping through insane hoops for years to get Mac to have good window management, or make keybindings the same in all apps, or have my desktop look the way I wanted, so I switched to Ubuntu 18. I actually scheduled a PTO day for it because I thought it would take like 18 hours to get drivers config'd and all that (my last try was like Ubuntu 14 or something), but it literally w…

I think that's one of the key things about using Apple products. If you want to have a good time, you need to embrace the way Apple wants you to use the product. And then generally, you'll find that it really does "just work", most of their decisions were right and you can get on with just using the thing. For the more "power users" who prefer to customise things to a fine degree and make particular choices a typical…

I run into this all the time with Windows users switching to a Mac. I do a lot of training for new users when it comes to using Macs and the Windows users are always the worst when compared to people learning for the first time because Windows users always want to do it "the Windows way" and so they get frustrated when all their right clicking doesn't pan out. They bought a Mac because they were frustrated by Windows but then they expect their Mac to just be "Windows without the problems". They rarely are open to using the product differently than before and don't even consider that part of what's "better" is that you use it differently and think about it differently.

Case in point - I recently had a user who did all kinds of audio editing for foley sound effects and had organized them all into folders himself. When he switched to the Mac, we were using software that has a very iTunes-focused mentality and it imported all the sounds into a library. He could not get over the fact that everything was flat and that he couldn't view his folder structure and was so frustrated because he couldn't find anything. It took me days to get the point across to him that a library system was much more powerful than a strict hierarchy because he could tag sounds with multiple keywords instead of just relying on his memory to remember which folder he had put a particular clip in. It's now been about 6 months and he has converted so many people to the Mac just by showing them how he can search tags for "flute", "wood", and "horror" and get a listing instead of having to remember that it was in his "horror" folder and then inside the "flute" folder with some weirdly numbered filename.

It's so nice when the computer just gets out of the way and lets you worry about the work and not about futzing with everything in the background.

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