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Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by mcguire »

anonytrary wrote: post #12
slaveofallah93 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>0.5g or 500mcg I hope you mean 0.5 mg not 0.5g because that would be a very big dose!

I think he did mean .5mg since 500ug is .5mg. Still, I'm a bit confused. The bottles I get come in doses of 10mg, I can't imagine taking even just two or three of them in a single night! On the other hand, I'd think 1/20th of my pill (.5mg) would be way too little. After reading this relevant paraphrase from the article: > There have been few studies on sighted young people. One finds that 1 mg works but 0.3 mg doesn…

I have been taking melatonin for a couple decades, due to severely delayed sleep. I haven't tried anything less than 3mg recently, but that has been very successful. 5mg or more have been too much, although I don't remember the specific problem.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by CommieBobDole »

anonytrary wrote: post #12
slaveofallah93 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>0.5g or 500mcg I hope you mean 0.5 mg not 0.5g because that would be a very big dose!

I think he did mean .5mg since 500ug is .5mg. Still, I'm a bit confused. The bottles I get come in doses of 10mg, I can't imagine taking even just two or three of them in a single night! On the other hand, I'd think 1/20th of my pill (.5mg) would be way too little. After reading this relevant paraphrase from the article: > There have been few studies on sighted young people. One finds that 1 mg works but 0.3 mg doesn…

Oddly enough, I've found that anything much over 1mg doesn't seem to have much of an effect at all - it maybe makes me a little drowsy, but that's about it. On the other hand, .5mg more or less knocks me out and leaves me feeling sleepy for most of the next day. Seems almost like there's a threshold over which it loses effectiveness, but I don't know of any medical mechanism that would lead to that.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by firic »

jaequery wrote: post #30

anyone here tried breathing exercises to help with better sleep? i am noticing that at times when i am taking deep and slow breaths before sleeping, i have a dramatically higher quality sleep.

I don't know why but whenever I did the technique where I tense and relax my muscles I got nightmares.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by icantdrive55 »

atomical wrote: post #16
skadamat wrote: post #8

Every single person here, if your serious about diving into the science of sleep, should read Matthew Walker's book: Why We Sleep: https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Sleep-Unlocking-Dreams/dp/1501... His interview on Joe Rogan is a good summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig He covers everything from why we sleep (obv), naps, melatonin, etc. I've just finished it and really enjoyed it.

Joe Rogan is one of the biggest propagators of pseudoscience. It's not a good sign when a guest appears on his show. Joe usually tries to rope them into talking about his two favorite health topics: cholesterol and testosterone.

He needs to brush up on The Placebo Effect.

(The Placebo Effecy is so important; I don't know why it isn't taught in grade school.)

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by gh02t »

mcguire wrote: post #41
anonytrary wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he did mean .5mg since 500ug is .5mg. Still, I'm a bit confused. The bottles I get come in doses of 10mg, I can't imagine taking even just two or three of them in a single night! On the other hand, I'd think 1/20th of my pill (.5mg) would be way too little. After reading this relevant paraphrase from the article: > There have been few studies on sighted young people. One finds that 1 mg works but 0.3 mg doesn…

I have been taking melatonin for a couple decades, due to severely delayed sleep. I haven't tried anything less than 3mg recently, but that has been very successful. 5mg or more have been too much, although I don't remember the specific problem.

3 mg is also the sweet spot for me. More than about 5 makes me have really wild, restless dreams. I still sleep feel rested in the morning, but it's kind of like you spend the whole night half awake because the dreams are so vivid.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by RandomInteger4 »

IBM wrote: post #44

What time should you take melatonin if you don't have any major sleep problems but want to improve sleep quality?

Roughly 30 minutes before I hit the pillow works for me. I use the normal melatonin (non-chews), but I suck on them till they dissolve in my mouth, because I hate when they get stuck in my epiglottis; you get used to the bitter flavor after a bit. I'm going to assume this is safe because chewables exist.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by astronautjones »

kovek wrote: post #28
atomical wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Rogan is one of the biggest propagators of pseudoscience. It's not a good sign when a guest appears on his show. Joe usually tries to rope them into talking about his two favorite health topics: cholesterol and testosterone.

Hi atomical, that's an interesting claim. Can you explain more why you believe that? I have listened through a couple of episodes and those made for interesting discussions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4LtdUC14hY

edit: I get that he makes fun of him in later episodes, but that's only gonna pop up if you're watching youtube. for people listening on a podcast app, or with adblocking, or whatever else, they don't see the disclaimers. he's not a journalist and is rarely informed enough to challenge his guests, which totally counteracts his "open-minded" reason for having alt-right, pseudo-scienctific, snake oil salesmen, and bigoted people on his show. he's a dunce for giving his platform over to such obvious hucksters so often, which is only bolstered every time eddie bravo comes on (an idiot if there ever was one).

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