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Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by neya »

olliej wrote: post #8
slantyyz wrote: post #4

The heat off that MBP reminds me of how hot my early 2011 15" MBP got. I suspect that the heat was the culprit for the GPU failures that gave the 2011 model its notoriety.

I thought that was gpu manufacturer issue? I recall Nvidia specifically had a lot of issues across many oems.

You are right, NVIDIA replaced the die for many OEMs, at the time my Vaio was affected and out of warranty, but Sony was nice enough to replace the motherboard for me and the laptop still works..roughly 10 years later..

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by sneak »

walru wrote: post #28
mirimir wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This! They ought to rename it, and actually sell a professional laptop.

That would require a complete and total culture change. As it is, and I know Apple has a war chest, the clock is ticking on their survival.

Yes, they can only survive so long with their revenues shrinking like they have been...

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by bri3d »

owenversteeg wrote: post #17

I keep seeing thermal issues come back to bite some of the smartest companies with products designed by the world's best engineers. Everything from batteries to laptops to phones is severely affected by heat, and improper thermal design can lead to some huge issues. For example, the biggest thing affecting battery life is thermal load. The biggest thing affecting the maximum sustained power of a laptop or phone is th…

Don't forget the infamous Xbox 360 Red Ring of Death, caused by incorrect thermal management causing balls on a BGA package to lift from the board underneath as it deflected.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by walru »

sneak wrote: post #42
walru wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would require a complete and total culture change. As it is, and I know Apple has a war chest, the clock is ticking on their survival.

Yes, they can only survive so long with their revenues shrinking like they have been...

Nothing lasts forever. The bigger you are, the harder you'll fall. The clock and mindset and innovation of Apple products has been alluding to a sea change for years, these things don't happen overnight.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by lhl »

pixelcloud wrote: post #38
slantyyz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, Lee criticized the Dell XPS 15's thermals in a video a couple of days ago. Of course, he also posted a video last week about how he was starting to hate Apple products. If you watch a lot of his videos, you'll notice that he almost always talks about thermals, so it's not surprising to see him focus on that aspect of the MBP.

But does the i9 version have performance issues (i.e. it under performs compared to the i7)? The XPS 15 with the i9 configuration comes with 32GB ram and it much cheaper than an equivalent macbook pro. I can deal with it getting hot!

The XPS 15 i9 does do a bit of throttling, but off the boost clock (it manages to mostly stick to 4GHz in the stress test that Lee shows) while the MBP i9 apparently can't even maintain the 2.9GHz base clock.

That, along with performance that's below the previous-gen i7 but charging $300 more is the real kicker - honestly, I'm not sure how anyone at Apple would be able to justify that as not just bilking their customers out of money.

It seems like these days, the mantra is "buyer beware" if you're looking to buy a Mac.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by shiburizu »

Genuinely curious: I don't work in the space of CAD, video editing or any other field that people tend to use to justify the MacBook Pro's ludicrous pricetag that has some shiny numbers on the tech specs sheet. Do these really do anything a sufficiently equipped laptop from anyone else can't? Plenty of options with latest gen Intel and Nvidia 10xx series are out there for less insane prices. Granted, I don't see many with that much storage space and RAM but I'd love to hear how some of you have experienced the same workload on non-Apple devices and felt you should keep buying MacBook.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by rubbingalcohol »

freetime2 wrote: post #29
mirimir wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This! They ought to rename it, and actually sell a professional laptop.

"Pro" is a pretty broad term. I suspect the MacBook Pro is powerful enough for most professionals who need a computer to do their jobs. I use one professionally for software development, and it suits my needs just fine. Sure - there are some professions out there that require more power than a MacBook Pro can offer. But is it really fair to say it's not "Pro" just because it can't meet the needs of 100% of all workin…

Is it really fair to say it's not "Pro" just because it doesn't deliver on the stock rated performance of the hardware it's spec'ed with? Yes, that's fair.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by endorphone »

nodesocket wrote: post #7

That's seems to contradict a recent benchmark/post [1] which showed impressive CPU performance from the i9 MacBook Pro. [1] http://hrtapps.com/blogs/20180712/

They really do test different things. In this case he is testing video renders from Premiere Pro, which renders for tens of minutes at 100%. It's apparently an outrageously inefficient app as well as the Windows version of it renders the same output in a fraction of the time (which invalidates it as a test, really).

All modern chips thermally throttle. Run a heavy AVX2 workload and you'll often go below the so-called "base" frequency. Run one or two threads and it can dramatically "overclock". It is the nature of all current chips.

Eh. For the overwhelming majority of users I doubt this would ever be an issue. Compile a kernel. Apply a filter. Do some convolutions. Every normal thing will be ridiculously fast. Run a server or workstation style load and it won't be so good. That has been the case with laptops for time eternal.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by nickthemagicman »

I develop on a macbook pro for 12 hours a day. Have a bajillion chrome tabs open, 2-3 ides open, sequel pro, photoshop, slack/skype, utorrent, spotify, and more....

My macbook pro 2016 i7/16G doesn't even skip a beat.

Unless you're doing 3d graphics or Machine Learning or something...I think for 99.9999999% of POWER USERS a throttled i9 with 32 gigs of RAM is plenty for the year 2018.

This throttle issue in my opinion is such a minor quibble it feels like demonization of Mac.

You can focus on the very very very few negatives of Macbooks but in my opinion at the end of the day it's an incredible machine.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by wlll »

pixelcloud wrote: post #38
slantyyz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, Lee criticized the Dell XPS 15's thermals in a video a couple of days ago. Of course, he also posted a video last week about how he was starting to hate Apple products. If you watch a lot of his videos, you'll notice that he almost always talks about thermals, so it's not surprising to see him focus on that aspect of the MBP.

But does the i9 version have performance issues (i.e. it under performs compared to the i7)? The XPS 15 with the i9 configuration comes with 32GB ram and it much cheaper than an equivalent macbook pro. I can deal with it getting hot!

In the video he shows the i9 rendering slower than the i7. When he runs the render on the i9 in a freezer then it runs faster.
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