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Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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I like Ubuntu quite a bit, I just wish they would offer a Base install option. I like their hardware detection, Gnome modifications, and font smoothing, but I am not a fan of the Ubuntu One stuff or its kitchen sink approach to including software.

Basically, I just want Ubuntu's Base Gnome package, so that from there I can add want I want.

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"it runs on every piece of hardware you throw at it" That's what continues to impress me about Ubuntu - I've installed it on everything from PPC-era Macs to dodgy little netbooks and it invariably 'just works'.

Odd, I regularly see complaints here on HN of this or that not working, and the response seems to often be that you have to pay attention to what hardware you buy and you can't expect everything to work... often with a snarky comment about OSX only being made for Apple hardware.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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I like Ubuntu quite a bit, I just wish they would offer a Base install option. I like their hardware detection, Gnome modifications, and font smoothing, but I am not a fan of the Ubuntu One stuff or its kitchen sink approach to including software. Basically, I just want Ubuntu's Base Gnome package, so that from there I can add want I want.

Try the gnome-stracciatella-session package, or choose the "Install a command-line system" option in the alternate installer and add what you like later.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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It's weird. I used to love Ubuntu, but after 8.04 I just stopped liking it. The little things niggled away at me. The bloat, the fear of upgrades breaking things (this is why my main home file server still runs 8.04, something I'm not happy about) if you have a slightly nonstandard install. I switched to Arch for my main home laptop and breathed new life into a PIII-850 with 128mb of RAM. Ubuntu would've killed it. I…

Weird. Its since 8.04 and onwards that upgrades STOPPED breaking things for me. Its been a golden era for Ubuntu.

It seems like since 8.04 they've changed the package naming conventions for LaTeX twice. That's been the biggest pain about upgrading for me, everything else has been a breeze.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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The drivers problems are a manufacturer problem, not Ubuntu's. Complain against the manufacturer, so that they know that people actually want linux drivers. Vote with your wallet, buy linux compatible hardware. Don't blame Ubuntu for others' mistakes.

Sure, i might have unnecessarily blamed Ubuntu, but it's still a problem that needs to be fixed. And as long as that problem exists, i won't recommend Ubuntu to the average computer user.

Why? The "average computer user" is precisely the kind of person who is likely to have commodity hardware that is supported by Ubuntu. Would you not recommend it because you can't guarantee that Ubuntu will work with all her hardware? If that's the problem, then what would you recommend? Can you guarantee that some other OS supports every piece of hardware she owns? Or are you holding Ubuntu to a higher standard?

If the answer is simply that you believe another OS will support more (though maybe not all) of her hardware, why not at least recommend that she get a Live CD, try it and see? Then she can weigh for herself the benefits of a (mostly) Free software OS against the extra cost of getting her hardware to work, instead of just accepting your guess that it's not worth it.

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"it runs on every piece of hardware you throw at it" That's what continues to impress me about Ubuntu - I've installed it on everything from PPC-era Macs to dodgy little netbooks and it invariably 'just works'.

There was a time when you had to carefully choose your hardware to work with Linux. These days, you have to carefully choose your hardware in order to experience problems. I am surprised by how many people do the latter.

I don't think it takes that much effort to have trouble with suspend/hibernate. I've found it to be the rule rather than the exception.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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There was a time when you had to carefully choose your hardware to work with Linux. These days, you have to carefully choose your hardware in order to experience problems. I am surprised by how many people do the latter.

I don't think it takes that much effort to have trouble with suspend/hibernate. I've found it to be the rule rather than the exception.

What kind of notebook computer have you been using?

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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yeah, until the repository maintainers mess up, create two packages that are in conflict, and yet both installed on your system, and now every attempt to update your software fails because you have out-of-date dependencies that can't be updated due to the conflict. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm a bit bitter about my fedora install at the moment :) That said, I think you overestimate the delta between OSX and the va…

I'm not sure I follow your suggestion of "package it into your app/lib yourself". Are you suggesting manually installing stuff that isn't available from Macports or Fink? Or something else? For the record I'm pretty green when it comes to Unix sysadmin stuff so go easy... I'm genuinely interested - I'm a new Mac user who came from Linux and my biggest issue on the Mac so far is that package management isn't as good a…

MacPorts can be hard to grep if you haven't used a BSD before (not that it's great anyway), and Fink is a bit more painful than apt et al.

If you're on OSX, the ace up it's sleeve is Homebrew[1]. Definitely the easiest package management system anywhere.

[1]: http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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yeah, until the repository maintainers mess up, create two packages that are in conflict, and yet both installed on your system, and now every attempt to update your software fails because you have out-of-date dependencies that can't be updated due to the conflict. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm a bit bitter about my fedora install at the moment :) That said, I think you overestimate the delta between OSX and the va…

I'm not sure I follow your suggestion of "package it into your app/lib yourself". Are you suggesting manually installing stuff that isn't available from Macports or Fink? Or something else? For the record I'm pretty green when it comes to Unix sysadmin stuff so go easy... I'm genuinely interested - I'm a new Mac user who came from Linux and my biggest issue on the Mac so far is that package management isn't as good a…

You should check out Homebrew for Mac. I've found it a little bit more reliable than Macports, and it's actually reasonably easy to create your own packages. To create a new package you can just `brew create http://foo.org/crufty-package.tar.gz` and 90% of the time the generated recipe just works and the other 10% it requires you to tweak the (quite readable) ruby file.

Also, while Homebrew has an official repo, it's managed through git and hosted on Github. So for any given piece of software, chances are pretty good that someone out there has packaged it.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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I'm so sad that so many HNers can not understand what is the real value added by Ubuntu. If more hardware is supported, it's because the kernel tends to get drivers for most hardware nowadays. If apps are getting better, it's not because of Ubuntu, but because of the apps developers. The power of Ubuntu is only on marketting.
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