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Vaporwave’s Mini-Boom of Floppy Disk Releases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the same thing when all these punk and indie groups were releasing cassettes. Then I found out that most people didn't play the cassettes. They bought them because they look good on a shelf. The cassettes have a download code printed inside (Bandcamp will spit out a CSV), so when you actually want to listen to the music, most will redeem the code (or just stream it). So it's still pretty silly, but not as s…

Punks, at least, most certainly do listen to cassettes. Cassettes are cheaper to run in small quantities than vinyl. Cassette players are cheap and easy to find. Punk music sounds good on cassette. I'm not so sure about floppy releases. But there is probably some overlap between retrocomputing enthusiasts and vaporwave fans. Maybe they're the target market. At least floppies are thin; a shelf full of cassettes will f…

> Punks, at least, most certainly do listen to cassettes.

In my years playing punk / indie music (which only ended last year) I did find a few people who said they listened to the tapes. Most people told me they didn't have a tape player, and just bought the tapes for display. But there was maybe one or two people, the hardcore types, who found an old tape deck in a thrift shop, or had a used car with a tape deck.

Even in those cases, I don't think tapes were for every day listening. I would see the same people playing music on their phone or what not. Tapes were for special occasions.

> Punk music sounds good on cassette.

I agree. So for certain projects, I used to record my music onto a tape, and then feed it back into the computer before I uploaded it. I don't know why more people don't do this.

Re: Vaporwave’s Mini-Boom of Floppy Disk Releases

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> Cassette players, they’re not really manufactured anymore, and the prices are going up on used ones Tascam just released a new deck cassette player, with USB: https://ask.audio/articles/tascam-announces-202mkvii-dual-ca...

They probably mean quality cassette players. Even that Tascam is made using standard cheap mechanisms, it only has the most basic noise reduction (Dolby B) and no tape type selection.

To even come close to justifying its $500 price tag, it should have a proper high-quality direct drive 3-head mechanism, Dolby B, C and S, as well as HX-Pro, at the very minimum to take the cassette tape seriously as a medium for music.

A Type IV "metal" tape with Dolby S and recorded using HX-Pro can sound seriously good, but nobody wants to sink the money into doing it, when they can just sell crappy Type I tapes at hipster prices.

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#43
post #30

I'm impressed with the state of 32kbit AAC streams. You could fit almost 6 minutes of that onto a floppy, and the quality is much higher than an 8-bit MP3

How's Opus for this sort of thing?

One can play around with Opus by exporting audio streams from existing video and audio

    ffmpeg -i sample.avi -map a out.wav
and then encoding that wav to opus

    opusenc --downmix-mono --bitrate 32 --vbr out.wav cor.opus
to decode

    opusdec cor.opus final.wav
and then

    play final.wav
brew install opus-tools sox ffmpeg

Re: Vaporwave’s Mini-Boom of Floppy Disk Releases

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I get the cassette thing because that was an audio format people used for albums, but in the 90s nobody released albums on floppy discs, so this is like all gimmick

There's always that one exception - Brian Eno released a floppy disk album called Generative Music 1 in 1996. It required Windows 95 and a Sound Blaster AWE32 to play:

https://intermorphic.com/sseyo/koan/generativemusic1/

"The works I have made with this system symbolise, to me, the beginning of a new era of music. Until a hundred years ago, every musical event was unique: music was ephemeral and unrepeatable, and even classical scoring couldn't guarantee precise duplication. Then came the gramophone record, which captured particular performances, and made it possible to hear them identically, over and over again.

But now, there are three alternatives: live music, recorded music, and generative music. Generative music enjoys some of the benefits of both its ancestors. Like live music, it is always different. Like recorded music, it is free of time-and-place limitations — you can hear it when and where you want.

Edit: There is a YouTube recording of someone's generated version of Lysis (Tungsten) from the album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgbbYLSNbfg

Re: Vaporwave’s Mini-Boom of Floppy Disk Releases

#46
post #31

> Cassette players, they’re not really manufactured anymore, and the prices are going up on used ones Tascam just released a new deck cassette player, with USB: https://ask.audio/articles/tascam-announces-202mkvii-dual-ca...

They probably mean quality cassette players. Even that Tascam is made using standard cheap mechanisms, it only has the most basic noise reduction (Dolby B) and no tape type selection. To even come close to justifying its $500 price tag, it should have a proper high-quality direct drive 3-head mechanism, Dolby B, C and S, as well as HX-Pro, at the very minimum to take the cassette tape seriously as a medium for music.…

People still buying cassettes are doing it for the LoFi sound anyways. They know their market.

Re: Vaporwave’s Mini-Boom of Floppy Disk Releases

#48

I get the cassette thing because that was an audio format people used for albums, but in the 90s nobody released albums on floppy discs, so this is like all gimmick

> nobody released albums on floppy discs

You're forgetting that for many people, part of their early exposure to music is music from within computer games, not just music released as standalone albums.

Re: Vaporwave’s Mini-Boom of Floppy Disk Releases

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post #44

Does anyone else remember the brief period in which you could pack 2.88MB on a 3.5” disk?

Was that actually real? Or just a guesstimated capacity using disk compression?

I was maybe 12 years old around that time, and remember being burned by compressed floppy disks not actually always holding more than 1.44 M... My memory is hazy (but fond)

Edit: yeah it was actually a thing! That, and many even crazier formats and storage capacities at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk

Re: Vaporwave’s Mini-Boom of Floppy Disk Releases

#50
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Punks, at least, most certainly do listen to cassettes. Cassettes are cheaper to run in small quantities than vinyl. Cassette players are cheap and easy to find. Punk music sounds good on cassette. I'm not so sure about floppy releases. But there is probably some overlap between retrocomputing enthusiasts and vaporwave fans. Maybe they're the target market. At least floppies are thin; a shelf full of cassettes will f…

> Punks, at least, most certainly do listen to cassettes. In my years playing punk / indie music (which only ended last year) I did find a few people who said they listened to the tapes. Most people told me they didn't have a tape player, and just bought the tapes for display. But there was maybe one or two people, the hardcore types, who found an old tape deck in a thrift shop, or had a used car with a tape deck. Ev…

It's a good point about it being for "special occasions". I usually just put on tapes when my friends are over, and the first time I listen.

We did the same in my last band. We managed to also get some interesting effects by messing with the mastering process.

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