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Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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I don't relate at all - I believe I remember the content of every book I've ever read, and the main takeaways of it.

What about names? I cannot remember the names of main characters from a book I read last week.

I remember no names at all from most books. I don't think of it as important, I guess. I also have no idea what most book characters look like, I generally ignore the author's descriptions in my memory.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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My key take-away from the article was this quote: “There is a difference,” she said, “between immediate recall of facts and an ability to recall a gestalt of knowledge. We can’t retrieve the specifics, but to adapt a phrase of William James’s, there is a wraith of memory. The information you get from a book is stored in networks. We have an extraordinary capacity for storage, and much more is there than you realize.…

I agree 100%, and to add on: I think it has to do with the context of those key ideas or phrases. You could simply tell a child that "the Boy Who Cried Wolf is about a boy who kept lying then got eaten by a wolf because no one believed him when he was telling the truth." But largely, the message would be lost.

Without the context of the rest of the story, getting the child emotionally involved, getting the child to see the short term benefits, the impact of reading about how the kid gets eaten when he finally does see a wolf, tells the truth, and no one believes him is greatly diminished.

Studies have shown that people remember how facts/events/information makes them feel more accurately than the specific facts/events/information, and I think the idea of context is similar. You remember the emotions you felt when you read a story about X action, you remember the context of your emotions, even if you don't remember the specific cause.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

#43

"Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking." -- Albert Einstein

I have to agree with that. I wish, I spent more time doing things than reading.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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Key phrase: "reading creates pathways in the brain, strengthening different mental processes." I've read a boat load of business books and I don't remember a lot of the specifics in the books but because the books often reenforced a lot of the same thoughts from different angles, I've got well formed mental pathways in my head, which help me in all kinds of situations. Same thing happens if you're a regular consumer…

I think that's spot on. My neuorimaging research has examined how the meaning of words are represented in the brain. Quite literally, words and their relationships to experiences, and each other, shape how we think. Mentalese may not be purely linguistic but the language we use reflects how our minds work. With and through language we rise above experience to penetrate beyond what our senses tell us and build realities independent of sensation.

Lawyers are lawyerly because they've trained their brains. That may seem tautological, but it's a gradual, continuous process. Yet, even long after we seem like we're done learning, traces of child-ish thought remain under the surface of everyday abstract concepts.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

#45
post #20

I'm a little disappointed with the approach this article takes to it's main thesis, which is that the "majority" don't remember what they read. He writes "anecdotal evidence suggests" twice in the only part that justifies his own experience. Is this really the case? (Not that I'm going to get better than anecdotal evidence here.) There's a false dichotomy there too where either you retain everything or nothing. For m…

I have definitely had similar experiences and can remember fiction and non-fiction I read from when I was in jr high school like I'd just read it yesterday (24 now). I can recall the plots and what I took away from each.

This article and most of this thread is just bizarre to me.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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post #14

Same is true for movies. I don't remember most movies I watch. Eg. there was this one movie with Morgan Freeman, he worked at a car shop, smoked cigarettes, and he was diagnosed with cancer, and there was another big name in the movie, and I don't remember much after that. [After looking it up, it was Jack Nicholson and the title is 'Bucket List']. There's probably thousands of movies like this floating around in my…

Oddly, I don't remember movies if asked to recount the exact plot/scenes, but I seem to have an uncanny ability to remember that stuff when watching it for the second time, to the point where I don't enjoy watching movies more than once. Some people love watching movies multiple times... I wonder if this has anything to do with memory.

It's the difference between recall and recognition. In general, everyone is better at recognition than recall. The joy in watching movies over and over again, could be:

There is something in the specifics (fine details that typically splits through the gaps of someones recall/recognition) that brings great joy. Others enjoy looking for things they may have missed. Others wait long enough for the recognition to fade enough in between viewings.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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post #14

Same is true for movies. I don't remember most movies I watch. Eg. there was this one movie with Morgan Freeman, he worked at a car shop, smoked cigarettes, and he was diagnosed with cancer, and there was another big name in the movie, and I don't remember much after that. [After looking it up, it was Jack Nicholson and the title is 'Bucket List']. There's probably thousands of movies like this floating around in my…

Oddly, I don't remember movies if asked to recount the exact plot/scenes, but I seem to have an uncanny ability to remember that stuff when watching it for the second time, to the point where I don't enjoy watching movies more than once. Some people love watching movies multiple times... I wonder if this has anything to do with memory.

Maybe, but there a one or two movies I like watching so much I can repeat the lines verbatim. So I don't think its just having bad memory which would allow others to watch and enjoy a movie multiple times.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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post #30

Silly.... If you can't remember what you had for lunch last Monday, why eat?

Funnily enough, I feel more this way about food than books. I absolutely despise spending money on food because you eat it, and then it's gone! At least books are free via library and I enjoy them more.
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