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A clever way to fight IE6

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Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by [deleted] »

yock wrote: post #38
melvinram wrote: post #18

I run a web design company and as part of the discovery process, we ask questions to figure out whether or not big corporations, schools, gov. agencies, etc, are part of their core target audience. We also look at their existing analytics data if they have it. If they have visitors using IE6, we just assume that we're going to need to support IE6 and adjust the price according. There is no good reason to make the cus…

I'm confused. Are you or are you not notifying your customers of the added expense of supporting IE6? If you are, then I don't see how your method differs from what is stated in the post. No one is making their client "feel bad" about a business decision. Whether or not they do is more a function of how that unfortunate news is delivered, or perhaps whether or not they irrationally view IE6 support as mission-critica…

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Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by edw519 »

Be careful what you wish for.

This reminds me of former NFL great and Monday Night Football announcer Frank Gifford. At one time, he charged $10,000 per corporate appearance. The grind was wearing him down, so he doubled his rate to reduce volume. Funny thing happened though, the higher rate made him more desirable to corporate program directors and his demand actually increased.

I wonder how applicable this phenomenon is here. You could easily become known as the "ie6 web design experts" who corporate drones turn to first. Sure, you'd make tons of money, but is that what you really want?

[EDIT: Lots of us are constantly dealing with the trade-off between whoring ourselves out for high paying shit work and doing what we really want. Just sayin'.]

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by JoachimSchipper »

ayu wrote: post #32
brazzy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the biggest pool of IE6 users are people from poor countries running pirated copies of Windows XP with no access to automatic updates.

I checked out http://gs.statcounter.com/ . Select Browser Version, maybe view as bar graph. Africa and Asia lead in IE6 by almost 25%. I was surprised, but it does make sense -- pirated XP comes with IE6, people can't use Windows Update, so they just stick with it.

Not entirely coincidentally, Asia - with its high-bandwidth internet infrastructure - sends a lot of spam. (Although it's getting better lately.)

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by JoachimSchipper »

vaksel wrote: post #30

I don't see why we are supposed to fix this problem. It's so much easier for Microsoft to do something about it, I mean seriously...how hard is it for them to add "Run as IE6" mode to IE9? That way companies can run their internal crap as "IE6"...and can browse the web as IE9.

Given how "quirky" IE6 is, a "run as IE6" mode would be a lot of work. (Of course, they now offload the work to everyone else, but that's not their problem is it?)

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by [deleted] »

edw519 wrote: post #42

Be careful what you wish for. This reminds me of former NFL great and Monday Night Football announcer Frank Gifford. At one time, he charged $10,000 per corporate appearance. The grind was wearing him down, so he doubled his rate to reduce volume. Funny thing happened though, the higher rate made him more desirable to corporate program directors and his demand actually increased . I wonder how applicable this phenome…

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Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by Quiark »

vaksel wrote: post #30

I don't see why we are supposed to fix this problem. It's so much easier for Microsoft to do something about it, I mean seriously...how hard is it for them to add "Run as IE6" mode to IE9? That way companies can run their internal crap as "IE6"...and can browse the web as IE9.

It seems to me that installing Firefox is easier than risking an update to IE9, yet corporations won't do that either.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by ricardo »

swombat wrote: post #11
WillyF wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And big enterprises are places with deep pockets. They'd happily pay the IE6 tax. I'm not really serious about the idea, but the idea of taxing users of outdated software could lead to some pretty interesting applications.

The enterprises wouldn't decide to pay the IE tax. The decision would have to be made by the end-users forced to use IE6. And they wouldn't pay.

End users at large enterprise companies have zero say in the support browsers of that organization. These policies are put in place by their IT organization which in some cases manages all applications and patches that are pushed down to an individual's machines. In those large companies even Windows patches are managed in house and not through the standard Windows update process. I think those companies will easily stomach an additional charge for IE6 since they're used to paying for everything else. That said, I'm sure they'll use their size to attempt to negotiate themselves a better price.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by redorb »

edw519 wrote: post #42

Be careful what you wish for. This reminds me of former NFL great and Monday Night Football announcer Frank Gifford. At one time, he charged $10,000 per corporate appearance. The grind was wearing him down, so he doubled his rate to reduce volume. Funny thing happened though, the higher rate made him more desirable to corporate program directors and his demand actually increased . I wonder how applicable this phenome…

Q:"sure you'll make a ton of money, but is that what you want?"

A: "yes, that will be fine."

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by someone_here »

edw519 wrote: post #42

Be careful what you wish for. This reminds me of former NFL great and Monday Night Football announcer Frank Gifford. At one time, he charged $10,000 per corporate appearance. The grind was wearing him down, so he doubled his rate to reduce volume. Funny thing happened though, the higher rate made him more desirable to corporate program directors and his demand actually increased . I wonder how applicable this phenome…

Just keep turning up the dial every time you don't want to do the job. You'll make even more money, and have less jobs. The sky is the limit.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Post by flannell »

I think we should remember why IE6 continues to burden us. All those companies spending millions adding Citrix and MS Terminal services to their network many years ago need a few more to get their ROI back. In these cash strapped times I can't see an already over stretched IT department putting together an operating system upgrade for 600+ desktops.

I develop a web based app and it's a nightmare adding those awful hacks to get IE6 to play ball. However, many companies are stuck with IE6 and do you want to alienate a potential customer(s)?

Microsoft.. you were an arsehole.

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