Basic income. The older I get the more I strongly hope that the future finds some version of the ideas currently in research and testing regarding basic life support to all peoples. There is so much to gain by doing so, for everyone, whether you personally need it or not.
Poverty reduces brainpower needed for navigating other areas of life (2013)
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Re: Poverty reduces brainpower needed for navigating other areas of life (2013)
#42I guess this turns the discussion around poverty into a 'chicken and egg' discussion. Which one was first? One's poverty or one's inability to make good life choices? So conservatives will say the latter and liberals will say the first, because you've probably been oppressed by someone and we are already back at square one.
Re: Poverty reduces brainpower needed for navigating other areas of life (2013)
#43I think this is why social democracy works so well for reducing poverty. When I compare poverty relief programs in the US with how it works in Scandinavian countries (I live in Norway) I notice a very big difference in how it is delivered. The US uses a large patchwork of a multitude of smaller means tested programs. You frequently read about how people are telling each other about what programs one can apply to and…
The US is very large, comparing it to a single country in Europe makes little sense. If you compare it to the EU itself you will see why there are so many disparate systems throughout the country.
Re: Poverty reduces brainpower needed for navigating other areas of life (2013)
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
325 million people in the US. Give each person $10k so they can feed themselves and live in a tent. That's 3.25 trillion dollars. The total federal budget in 2015 was 3.8 trillion dollars [0]. After we disband the army, navy and air force, liquidate medicare, medicade and social security where do you think we should get the missing 1 trillion or so from? [0] https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-bu…
How many under 18s in that 325m? UBI would be for those of working age would it not? I've seen arguments UBI should include pensioners, but never for it to include minors.
Re: Poverty reduces brainpower needed for navigating other areas of life (2013)
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
325 million people in the US. Give each person $10k so they can feed themselves and live in a tent. That's 3.25 trillion dollars. The total federal budget in 2015 was 3.8 trillion dollars [0]. After we disband the army, navy and air force, liquidate medicare, medicade and social security where do you think we should get the missing 1 trillion or so from? [0] https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-bu…
Do you really think everyone of the 325 million will be a recipient of the $10k income, or perhaps only the ones that earn the least? Is this a proposal any sane advocate of UBI has put forward, or are you perhaps strawmanning a slight bit? I am not necessarily in agreement with everything UBI related, but adding noise to the conversation isn't going to get us to any insights any quicker.
Re: Poverty reduces brainpower needed for navigating other areas of life (2013)
#46Basic income. The older I get the more I strongly hope that the future finds some version of the ideas currently in research and testing regarding basic life support to all peoples. There is so much to gain by doing so, for everyone, whether you personally need it or not.
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#49If it's true then... Obviously, if a person's brain is affected by poverty, the market isn't going to offer them the equal opportunity when that opportunity can go to the person (rich) whose brain is not limited by poverty. UBI won't help them much! They'll still feel poor even if they've money to meet the absolute basics for a good quality of life. I think a possible solution is to make it a law that a marriage is "…
People have certain beliefs, ego pride, choices and many more. If you're not going to choose your life partner and you are being forced, what kind of life it is. It's better to stay unmarried than to be with someone you don't like (that constant struggle from the time you wake up). A human being accustomed to certain ways in their life, find unpleasant to see any kind deviation.
Then why are there efforts to force economic equality through taxation which also affects a human being accustomed to certain ways in their life?
If you want to punish the rich, I've suggested a vastly superior way which is unlikely to be gamed.
Re: Poverty reduces brainpower needed for navigating other areas of life (2013)
#50I think this is why social democracy works so well for reducing poverty. When I compare poverty relief programs in the US with how it works in Scandinavian countries (I live in Norway) I notice a very big difference in how it is delivered. The US uses a large patchwork of a multitude of smaller means tested programs. You frequently read about how people are telling each other about what programs one can apply to and…
Norway is extremely wealthy though. Your benefits don't apply to citizens of Greece or other countries in the EU so it's not clear that it's a scalable solution. The US is very large, comparing it to a single country in Europe makes little sense. If you compare it to the EU itself you will see why there are so many disparate systems throughout the country.