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In Greece there's quite an uproar for this agreement. 70% of the population is against it and in the northern parts of the country the government's acceptance rates have dropped to single digit percentages.
This is just a poll from a right (I would argue even far-right) paper, so better take it with a grain of salt.
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That's exactly why I poked him. Only nationalists are displeased. source: I'm Greek and I think this is a great deal
I can see you can't really understand what a nationalist means despite one representative source I cited with regards to Mikis Theodorakis. I won't mock you for that -as you did- however to make my point easier for you here is a hint: M. Theodorakis has been a communist all his life and was imprisoned during the Greek dictatorship (Junta) in 1967-74. Junta is the 'dream' of Greek nationalists (see Golden Dawn). I thi…
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Which will of which people was ignored?
Both. Nationalist Greeks are angry and so do nationalist Makedonians. I would think both countries have more important things to protest about than name change, but then I don't live on Balkans.
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Disney hasn't had a "regime change", and the regime question was quite clear at the time Mickey was invented. Macedonia (Kingdom? Empire? Ancient ethnicity?/dialect?/polity?) had lots of regime changes. We can't even be sure that the Greeks, at the time of Philip & Alexander considered Macedonia to be "Greece." You could argue either way. You could also argue that half the world is the "real" Macedonia. Bagdad has a…
>> We can't even be sure that the Greeks, at the time of Philip & Alexander considered Macedonia to be "Greece." This is plain wrong. There is absolutely no dispute what so ever among historians about the Greek origin of Macedonia. The new country of Northern Macedonia in no way disputes this either. Comments like yours are the prime proof that what happened is very very wrong. This is a quote from Wikipedia about Al…
I'm not making the case for either narratives. I'm making the case that both narratives are fictions, a symbolic language narrating a one-damned-thing-after-another truth. I don't think Alexander/Macedonia was "really" Greek or not Greek. I also think this meant different things at different times. Modern nationalism is a very dominant paradigm in our times. It is new though. Even though it's hard to imagine it, "nationality" was not a dominant paradigm either for personal identity or politics throughout most of history. Alexander didn't seem to give much of a damn about nationality.
In Greece there's quite an uproar for this agreement. 70% of the population is against it and in the northern parts of the country the government's acceptance rates have dropped to single digit percentages.
I appreciate that we all live in a bit of an echo chamber since we choose our friends, but I don't know anyone who is not okay with the "two names" solution
What more could anyone else want? That they call themselves Skopje? We are the only ones to clal them that while E V E R Y O N E else just calls them "Macedonia" and wonders "what the hell is wrong with you greeks".
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Makedonia I wonder - is this spelling some sort of shibboleth for Greeks who want to make a point that 'Macedonia' is only the area in Greece? I've seen it a few times in this thread, but never before anywhere else (then again, I didn't even know this was an issue until a week ago).
It is simply a different transliteration. Neither country uses the Roman alphabet, it's either Македонија or Μακεδονίας.
In Greece there's quite an uproar for this agreement. 70% of the population is against it and in the northern parts of the country the government's acceptance rates have dropped to single digit percentages.
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Greece didn't claim the country for itself, it claimed the name for it's own northern province.
Greece's logic in disapproving of the name Macedonia is that they fear that Macedonia (the republic) could some day claim the Greek province of Macedonia. By that logic, so should Luxembourg (the grand duchy) be able to claim the Belgian province of the same name.
Macedonia is part of the Greek identity. FYROM (still the official name until the agreement gets implemented in a few months) have been claiming this Greek identity by misappropriating history.
Think of it as a trademark violation.
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>> We can't even be sure that the Greeks, at the time of Philip & Alexander considered Macedonia to be "Greece." This is plain wrong. There is absolutely no dispute what so ever among historians about the Greek origin of Macedonia. The new country of Northern Macedonia in no way disputes this either. Comments like yours are the prime proof that what happened is very very wrong. This is a quote from Wikipedia about Al…
If the wars had gone differently, Greek historians would have recorded a glorious defeat of the northern barbarians by the Greeks. Alexander won, and so the story features "awarding a generalship." I'm not making the case for either narratives. I'm making the case that both narratives are fictions, a symbolic language narrating a one-damned-thing-after-another truth. I don't think Alexander/Macedonia was "really" Gre…
Yes, the city-states have been fighting all the time, just like Athens and Sparta. But they have been part of Ancient Greece.
In the case of FYROM (still the official name until the agreement gets implemented soonish), they have been appropriating the Greek identity. That was not just some individuals at FYROM, it was the whole political apparatus of FYROM since the 90s.
I really hope things change for the better. Being from the north of Greece I know first hand the difficulties with the name. I am very passionate about it but I understand we live in a different world. My feeling is that the Greek government and their NATO, EU allies pushed this forward now in order to stop the imperialistic plans of Erdogan in the region. I think with more Balkan countries in the EU, NATO influences…
Could you perhaps expand on this a little? I have a very hard time understanding why someone would be passionate about something like this.