150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees • Hacker News Board

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by mygo » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 6:54 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #6

This is one of the enormous penalties we as a nation have to pay because neither of our political parties actually wants to solve the illegal immigration issue. Republicans get to use ‘illegal immigrants taking jobs’ as a stick to beat democrats with, and progressives use cries of racism to rally support amongst Latino voters. Meanwhile anyone who espouses common sense ideas such as reforming our immigration policy g…

> anyone who espouses common sense ideas such as reforming our immigration policy gets called a racist and ‘anti-immigrant’.

bold statement. source?

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by ihattendorf » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 6:54 PM UTC

rahul003 wrote: post #17

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #13

How does this wait play out in real life? I doubt any company actually waits 15 years, and clearly not lengths exceeding a human lifespan, to fill a position, even if it went through the trouble of filing an I-140 and certified that zero US workers were available. So what do all these applicants do in the meantime? Are they overseas? Are they in the States on dual-intent visas? Are they in some creative legal limbo?…

After you apply for a green card and cross the first step (takes about a year or two), then your H1B visa can be extended indefinitely. So the applicant can continue working. The company doesn't care because in this scenario they have an employee who'll think 10 times about leaving even if they are not being treated well. That's not to say the employee can't leave and join another company who's willing to make the ne…

They have 60 days to leave, not a week, as of January 2017. Definitely not ideal, but at least gives them a chance to find a new job.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by scarejunba » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 6:54 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #6

This is one of the enormous penalties we as a nation have to pay because neither of our political parties actually wants to solve the illegal immigration issue. Republicans get to use ‘illegal immigrants taking jobs’ as a stick to beat democrats with, and progressives use cries of racism to rally support amongst Latino voters. Meanwhile anyone who espouses common sense ideas such as reforming our immigration policy g…

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Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by toweringgoat » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 7:13 PM UTC

sus_007 wrote: post #3

varunsaini wrote: post #2

I am one who can be in this boat and don’t know what to do yet.

I am thinking about coming aboard this particular boat i.e come to the USA. What would you do if you were me ?

Canada, Europe, Australia, NZ. There are places with Bay Area style salaries, there are other places with lower salaries - either way, you'll be living a comfortable life since costs will be lower than Bay Area.

You'll universally find a much better healthcare system (e.g. health insurance not tied to your employer), with the exception of the UK. You'll find a humane immigration system that doesn't kick you out if your employer decides to screw you over (again with the exception of the UK). You'll generally have some form of state support if you lose your job instead of being thrown to homelessness. Etc etc. The US is a second world country nowadays.

And any children you might have will be far safer, and at lower risk for severe mental health problems.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by throwaway12122 » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 7:16 PM UTC

xuki wrote: post #37

HarryHirsch wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The caveat is that your employer keeps you on a very short leash. If you are fired you must have a new job within 30 days, else must leave the country. Not everyone has the stomach for this, especially if you have a family.

This kind of visa is very bad for the employees and virtually every country I've looked has a similar policy. A work visa should not be tied to a certain employer and the period to find a new job before having to leave the country should be at least a few months, not 30 days. It's incredibly hostile but hey, they can't vote, so nobody is going to fight for them.

I wouldn't surprised if years from now, people will look at the current visa system the same way we look at slavery and indentured servitude now.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by throwaway12122 » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 7:17 PM UTC

rahul003 wrote: post #17

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #13

How does this wait play out in real life? I doubt any company actually waits 15 years, and clearly not lengths exceeding a human lifespan, to fill a position, even if it went through the trouble of filing an I-140 and certified that zero US workers were available. So what do all these applicants do in the meantime? Are they overseas? Are they in the States on dual-intent visas? Are they in some creative legal limbo?…

After you apply for a green card and cross the first step (takes about a year or two), then your H1B visa can be extended indefinitely. So the applicant can continue working. The company doesn't care because in this scenario they have an employee who'll think 10 times about leaving even if they are not being treated well. That's not to say the employee can't leave and join another company who's willing to make the ne…

>then your H1B visa can be extended indefinitely

This used to be the case. But not any more. A lot of people I know are getting RFEs and rejections for their extensions after i-140. I am actually one of them. Got my I-140, then got RFE. I am in a state that gives license based on your visa and won't renew license unless I have an approved work permit. So, I cannot renew my license, and has been using ride sharing for the last 1 month. Its going to be another 1-2 months before I get a decision on whether I can stay. Fun times. They always find creative ways to make your life difficult. Its amusing they refuse to give me license, but the state has no problem taxing me, even for the income I get in India.

Trump talked about self deportation. He succeeded at least in my case. I am done with all this immigration bull. I hope I can find a job in India soon so that I can escape from here.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by nomocrypto » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 7:18 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #6

This is one of the enormous penalties we as a nation have to pay because neither of our political parties actually wants to solve the illegal immigration issue. Republicans get to use ‘illegal immigrants taking jobs’ as a stick to beat democrats with, and progressives use cries of racism to rally support amongst Latino voters. Meanwhile anyone who espouses common sense ideas such as reforming our immigration policy g…

> Meanwhile anyone who espouses common sense ideas such as reforming our immigration policy gets called a racist and ‘anti-immigrant’.

Federal policy is hardly ever “common sense”. Have those people actually tried not saying racist things? Because I swear, 99.999% of the “common sense” reforms I hear about I nvolve deporting basically everyone who isn’t super white..

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by behringer » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 7:18 PM UTC

georgeecollins wrote: post #40

sus_007 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am thinking about coming aboard this particular boat i.e come to the USA. What would you do if you were me ?

Come to the US. We reward talented people and it is a nice country to live in.

You spelt Canada wrong.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by fjsolwmv » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 7:19 PM UTC

rohit2412 wrote: post #31

oculusthrift wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not being able to swarm into another country is equivalent to slavery?

You can limit immigration fairly. But don't tell me I have a lesser chance of working in USA than a Kenyan and that's not discrimination.

Probability doesn't really work that way. There are complex factors that go into the calculation, for any set of policies. Every policy discriminates somehow, except completely unrestricted system.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by cfadvan » Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 7:22 PM UTC

rohit2412 wrote: post #31

oculusthrift wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not being able to swarm into another country is equivalent to slavery?

You can limit immigration fairly. But don't tell me I have a lesser chance of working in USA than a Kenyan and that's not discrimination.

You can limit immigration fairly. But don't tell me I have a lesser chance of working in USA than a Kenyan and that's not discrimination.

You as one of over a billion people from the same country will understandably have more competition than a Kenyan who is competing with under 50 million countrymen. Overall more Indians have a chance of working in the US than Kenyans, but the pools drawn from are at least an order of magnitude apart.