Just a few days ago on hn I discovered the stanford prison expweiment was largely faked, and now this. I guess this is good reason to be suspicious of pop science factoids that often get thrown around in discussions.
Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior
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#43I'm still mad at the discovery channel for convincing me that Megaladon was still out there.
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#44upon reading the whole article, it is mostly true. "mass dispersal" occurs when the population grows too much and the food runs out, sometimes it can be very directional, and sometimes they will pile up on the shore until they gets too packed and they try to swim across frigid waters. the Disney mass suicide documentary says this can be observed every 7 - 10 years, and then they over dramatized how it looks edit: rem…
Blue Planet is not filming captive animals in faked environments doing unnatural behaviors.
Some of Blue Planet was filmed in aquariums. It's an open secret that David Attenborough documentaries use footage of captive animals to create a narrative.
However, they don't kill the captive animals, which is the key difference.
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#45Disney popularized the myth, but I think it was around before them. I think they wanted to get video of those famous/interesting lemming suicides but the lemmings wouldn't do it, so they coerced them into it.
Tldr: Disney committed lemming genocide
Wouldn't xenocide be a more apt description? A quick search for genocide gives the definition of:
"the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation."
While xenocide is described as:
xenocide (plural xenocides)
The killing of a stranger or foreigner. (science fiction) The genocide of an entire alien species. (US, colloquial) The intentional killing of an entire foreign (plant or animal) species.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/xenocide
Either is fine really, just seems like a semantic curiosity.
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#46Disney popularized the myth, but I think it was around before them. I think they wanted to get video of those famous/interesting lemming suicides but the lemmings wouldn't do it, so they coerced them into it.
Since 1532 according to https://wonderclub.com/Wildlife/mammals/norwegian_lemming.ht...
Lemming suicide is also mentioned on page 66 of the first edition of Confessions of an English Opium Eater by Thomas de Quincey: https://archive.org/stream/confessionsofeng00dequ_1#page/66/...
This was published in 1832 and revised in 1856.
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#47Talk about unnecessary cruelty, lemmings are quite cute creatures, can't imagine what was going thru their heads ("the Disney filmmakers") when they threw all those lemmings off a cliff to their deaths for a film.
They actually threw the lemmings in the Bow river rather than the sea, so it's likely that most of them actually survived.
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#48upon reading the whole article, it is mostly true. "mass dispersal" occurs when the population grows too much and the food runs out, sometimes it can be very directional, and sometimes they will pile up on the shore until they gets too packed and they try to swim across frigid waters. the Disney mass suicide documentary says this can be observed every 7 - 10 years, and then they over dramatized how it looks edit: rem…
Give people a downvote button and they're going to downvote stuff they don't want to hear. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluding themselves.
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#49Talk about unnecessary cruelty, lemmings are quite cute creatures, can't imagine what was going thru their heads ("the Disney filmmakers") when they threw all those lemmings off a cliff to their deaths for a film.
> lemmings are quite cute creatures The most important attribute for animal rights causes it seems. If Facebook campaigns are any measure...
I had an environmental ethics professor in college. Her pet cause was the plight of the atlantic bluefin tuna. She frequently lamented that only the cute animals get any real support.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tldr: Disney committed lemming genocide
Why the downvotes? From White Wilderness, as the movie shows drowning Lemmings, put there by Disney employees, the narrator goes: "And so is acted out, the legend of mass suicide and destruction of a species." https://youtu.be/xMZlr5Gf9yY?t=2m50s
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