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How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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Disheartening. Interesting article. We need to get healthcare uncoupled from jobs.

This is completely right. I don't think people realize how much tying healthcare to full time employment hurts people and slow innovation.

It makes people stick in bad situations and disadvantages small businesses both financially and in wasted time.

Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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> On average, it estimated they were making $10.75 per hour in the Houston area, $8.77 per hour in Detroit, and $13.17 in Denver, which was slightly less than Walmart’s average full-time hourly rate in 2016 I'm not saying this is ok, but I think there are also more intangible things that come into play here. Working for Uber gives you the freedom to work when you want. You don't have to call in sick or find someone t…

When you’re earning $9 to $14 an hour you don’t take time off. When you’re earning so little you don’t have the freedom to take a day off because you feel unwell.

This is pretty much my favorite misfeature of modern American food service jobs. I never want the people handling my food to sneeze. Alas, that’s not the world I live in.

Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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The gig economy is literally a product of a lack of economic security. As I've mentioned before, if suddenly people had enough money or assistance that they didn't need to gig to make ends meet, businesses like Uber and Lyft would have no more "independent contractors". They'd probably fold or have to raise prices above that of Taxis.

It should be the other away around. The gig economy should only be for people that have economic security. If you've got food & rent covered some other way but want some extra cash for luxuries, it's nice to have the option to pick up a few gigs. Much of the marketing for Uber drivers implies this fantasy. Maybe BI will make this fantasy a reality.

I think it’s UBI that’s the fantasy intended to prevent people from rebelling against this reality.

Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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This really needs reposted: Uber is an Old Scam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGwZcR0q6VE Seriously, watch the video. Professor Richard D Wolff. Long story short, when taxis first came out, we saw the following: unsafe everything, assaults, kidnappings (pay more or you get dropped in $bad_location), wrecks and injuries and no insurance. The result of that was regulation, which improved conditions for riders and dr…

The gentleman in the video has a couple of good points (and it is likely that Uber will eventually get regulated). That being said, the premise here seems to be confused on a number of issues. + "Unsafe everything, assaults [and] kidnappings" are in fact already illegal. More regulation will not make them more illegal. Claiming we need a taxicab commission to enforce basic laws is a non-sequitur of breathtaking scope…

+ "Unsafe everything, assaults [and] kidnappings" are in fact already illegal. More regulation will not make them more illegal. Claiming we need a taxicab commission to enforce basic laws is a non-sequitur of breathtaking scope.

Indeed they are already illegal, however adequate checks are not done on those who want to be people driver. That effect of not actually doing due diligence does allow much higher incidence of bad actors in positions of power.

+ There was a vibe that Uber will compromise the customer experience to make more money. This is nonsense, uber is operating in a cut-throat environment where any cost savings will be passed directly to consumers who are getting what they pay for.

Bullshit. They have one of the hottest stock request IPOs out there. A year ago their estimated market cap was $50B. Now its estimated at $70B. Sure doesn't sound like a no-profit company.

+As one questioner pointed out at the end, Uber isn't actually making a profit. Any cuts in quality are being passed on to the customer in reduced fares.

Hollywood accounting. And foregoing profit to starve the market is also a perfectly valid strategy. In other words, the lack of profit is intentional and easily reversed at will.

Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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On the one hand my first impulse is to ask “What’s the supply-side version of caveat emptor ?” but if companies like Uber are hiding the true pay of their IRS-1099 “gig workers” then I have to wonder if they aren’t running afoul of disclosure or fair labor laws as well.

What’s the supple-side version of caveat emptor? How do you mean? "Employer beware" would be cave dico . Provider beware, provisor cave . Though it's not clear what dynamic you're pointing to.

Actually employer beware would be "cave conductor". Dico means "I say".

Provisor comes from the verb vidi, and means "one who sees ahead," but I suppose you can use "patronus" instead to mean provider. So provider beware should be "cave patrone".

Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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The gig economy is literally a product of a lack of economic security. As I've mentioned before, if suddenly people had enough money or assistance that they didn't need to gig to make ends meet, businesses like Uber and Lyft would have no more "independent contractors". They'd probably fold or have to raise prices above that of Taxis.

Interestingly where I live Ubers are usually 50% more expensive than taxis.

Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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The gig economy is literally a product of a lack of economic security. As I've mentioned before, if suddenly people had enough money or assistance that they didn't need to gig to make ends meet, businesses like Uber and Lyft would have no more "independent contractors". They'd probably fold or have to raise prices above that of Taxis.

Interestingly where I live Ubers are usually 50% more expensive than taxis.

I happily pay a premium for Uber/Lyft; that’s how awful taxis are. I can’t go back.

Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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> On average, it estimated they were making $10.75 per hour in the Houston area, $8.77 per hour in Detroit, and $13.17 in Denver, which was slightly less than Walmart’s average full-time hourly rate in 2016 I'm not saying this is ok, but I think there are also more intangible things that come into play here. Working for Uber gives you the freedom to work when you want. You don't have to call in sick or find someone t…

I wonder how much the true cost is to the driver, not only are they having to pay fuel costs but the more miles a car does the less it's worth. It's almost like swap deal, swapping the future value of your car in return for cash today.

Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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For non-speakers of American English: though "gig" is well known to mean "short-term/casual work", the use of "gigged" in the title is likely a pun: "gigging" or "to gig" is to hunt small game with a pronged spear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigging

A usage which sadly underlines the fate of most gig workers.

Re: How the gig economy is making life harder for North American workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly where I live Ubers are usually 50% more expensive than taxis.

I happily pay a premium for Uber/Lyft; that’s how awful taxis are. I can’t go back.

Oh yeh me too, even when you use a similar app with taxis the service is awful. At least half the time they call you and cancel as they've just picked someone up on the way to you.
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