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The Musical Diversity of Pop Songs

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Re: The Musical Diversity of Pop Songs

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The missing variable here is whether the market share represented by Billboard #1 songs has increased or decreased in this time span. Is everyone listening to more homogeneous music, or is the market for #1 songs shrinking to a smaller and smaller demographic?

I honestly don't know the answer, but a few decades ago in most towns the majority of the public listened to just a few radio stations and everybody knew the top songs. In the Spotify age, I'm far from certain that's true.

Re: The Musical Diversity of Pop Songs

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Except that websites are intended to be functional while songs are intended to be works of art. Thats the problem. Why are we treating music like an industrial product? (The answer is money)

Two hundred years ago, most popular music existed primarily as simply a support for public dancing. The audience didn't expect to sit and listen to compelling virtuosos perform. It was only the advent of recorded music that allowed individual performers of popular music to gain specific audiences (with free jazz performers of 1930s being perhaps the first popular recording artists noted for producing "works of art").…

Why are we talking about two hundred years ago? In the late 20th century, popular music occupied a different role. It had functional uses for sure. But it was also an artform. I don't want to go back to 200 years ago. There was something democratic about music that was accessible, made for a wide audience, and capable of depth.

Re: The Musical Diversity of Pop Songs

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Except that websites are intended to be functional while songs are intended to be works of art. Thats the problem. Why are we treating music like an industrial product? (The answer is money)

The second you put music on “cd” its not art but a product. The idea of the musician as an artist is highly inaccurate.

I don't see anything in your comment but cynicism. Why can't it be a product AND art?

Re: The Musical Diversity of Pop Songs

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Actually, pop songs follow the same basic chord progression formula... Elton John MASTERED it - revealed here: https://twitter.com/TheMarkusAllen/status/996830643949522944

I–V–vi–IV is just a chord progression. Using it does not make a song unoriginal. You can build a billion melodies on it in just one mode of a scale. Then there's all the other stuff: instrument choice, arrangement, rhythm, lyrics (if you have them).

A song is so much more than a chord progression.

For those playing along at home: modern pop favorite I–V–vi–IV is also the chord progression used in some arrangements of the 1788 classic Auld Lang Syne.

Re: The Musical Diversity of Pop Songs

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Except that websites are intended to be functional while songs are intended to be works of art. Thats the problem. Why are we treating music like an industrial product? (The answer is money)

> The answer is money The individual artist or producer which want's to have a number one song is not driven mainly by money. The drive is just wanting to be the best. And being the best in such a competitive field requires having a highly polished product.

Nobody interested in being best would consider tip of pop charts as "best". Pop is mass appeal for money and or game. It is a lowest common denominator medium. People wanting to be best seek the recognition of their peers. Not commercial sales.

Re: The Musical Diversity of Pop Songs

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What you say is true, although it misses a larger point: that even though we CAN listen to unlimited variety, since the labels control the distribution systems (radio plays, featured music, music sold in big box stores, publicity etc etc) the music they produce becomes inevitably popular. Turn on the radio, walk into Walmart, turn on the tv, watch a movie and you’re not going to hear independent Tibetan chants. You’r…

That's like saying that people are eating bananas and oranges and apples because there is a huge PR campaign to push them, and that this is destroying the chances for less popular fruits. Sure, there is that, but let's not kid ourselves, those fruit are popular because they are actually preferred by a vast majority.

Bananas are a created product. Made popular by banana industry. Natural bananas are nothing like the highly breed thing you eat. They are not native in northern America. The demand for them was manufactured with marketing. Until now they are "part of our life" and seem normal.

If it was not for the music industry. Pop bands would not exist. Boy bands would not exist. Etc. They are as artificil as bananas.

Re: The Musical Diversity of Pop Songs

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I'm no music expert, but that (specifically your statement about dancing being premier) doesn't jive with what little bits I know. Granted you could narrowly define bits and pieces of what you said to constrain the set of artists you're talking about, but insofar as you mention free jazz of the 1930s as an early example of producing "art for art's sake", there are certainly earlier comparable examples, the "futurists…

And what about the obvious example of classical music?

One only needs to translate all that Latin to figure out most of it means a form of dance.

Classical music was pop for it's time. People danced, drank, and even had massive riots when a controversial composer came to town.

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