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Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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In 1999-2001 when I was doing dialup tech support, running into a customer with Eudora was a dream compared to the nightmare of basically any other contemporary mail client around: Outlook and Outlook Express. EarthLink even made their own abomination of a mail client called Total Access, IIRC it could import and export Eudora dbs.

"Are you using Microsoft Lookout?"

-Why they took me off phone support

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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I uploaded the code to GitHub: https://github.com/avar/rhqben

It looks like github thinks all of the source files are a single line. https://github.com/avar/rhqben/blob/master/Eudora_M_source/V...

Macs use(d) CR as line terminator, not LF (*nix) or CR LF (Windows).

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

#43

"Eudora was specifically designed with the idea that standards are a key to successful adoption. Indeed, the rapid acceptance of the Internet is largely due to the standardization process. Published standards are what allow applications from multiple sources to cooperate with each other. Without standards organizations would only be able to use their own applications together, and not those from outside. Also, by all…

Tell that to Gmail people...

Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16830156

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

#44

In 1999-2001 when I was doing dialup tech support, running into a customer with Eudora was a dream compared to the nightmare of basically any other contemporary mail client around: Outlook and Outlook Express. EarthLink even made their own abomination of a mail client called Total Access, IIRC it could import and export Eudora dbs.

Funny, because from around 2004 onward I'd say the opposite. Eudora was universally reviled at the help desk I worked at.

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! With IMAP or what?

Me too. With POP of course. Eudora supports IMAP but that's the path to the dark side.

Me too, and it's the main reason my Mac runs Snow Leopard. Some day that'll fail, and I'll probably end up running Sheepshaver in a browser tab or something.

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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post #43

"Eudora was specifically designed with the idea that standards are a key to successful adoption. Indeed, the rapid acceptance of the Internet is largely due to the standardization process. Published standards are what allow applications from multiple sources to cooperate with each other. Without standards organizations would only be able to use their own applications together, and not those from outside. Also, by all…

Tell that to Gmail people... Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16830156

Not sure how message expiry is a standards compliance issue. SMTP, MIME and RFC822 et. al. don't say anything about where, how or if the message gets stored once transmitted.

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

#47

Oh, cool. I can finally fix the bug/feature that whenever someone replied to an email from me they got warned about profanity because of my last name :-)

May I have an off topic question? I know I read in an article that Cloudbleed woke you up like 1:23AM but I can't find that article any more and I used that to tell my junior developers to write code they can understand when they are woken at 1:23AM as you were. So the question is -- is this true or did I dream up something?

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The license does NOT allow you to use any of the trademarks or domain names related to Eudora, including Eudora™, www.eudora.com, and www.eudora.org.” — http://www.computerhistory.org/_static/atchm/the-eudora-emai...

It's a bit weird, just above they say "they decided not to simply grant a license, but to transfer ownership of the code, the Eudora trademarks, the copyrights, and the Eudora domain names to the Computer History Museum". So it's the CHM who is barring people from using the name. The relevant clause must be this: "Neither the name of Computer History Museum nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or…

> Is this really "BSD license", if the name is off-limits? This looks like an extra clause to me.

There's actually a few licenses that are called the BSD license. In modern terms, BSD refers to the 3-clause BSD.

However, the 3-clause BSD was not the original form. It was introduced because the 4th clause was generally viewed as problematic. That 4th clause is:

> 4. Neither the name of the nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission.

This "weird" clause is actually the 4th clause of the 4-clause BSD. It's weird because it's extremely uncommon, but it is part of a major BSD license.

Re: Computer History Museum Makes Eudora Email Client Source Code Available

#50
Some years ago, Gmail changed so using Eudora with it became difficult. I've worked out the following procedure:

after checking email fails the second time,

Server SSL Certificate Rejected pops up

click on Yes

click on Tools then Options then Checking mail

click on Last SSL Info

click on Certificate Information Manager

under Server Certificates, keep expanding until you reach the bottom one

click on it then click on Add to trusted

click on File then Check Mail

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