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The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written

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Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written

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Well, to be fair, Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon and wants to wipe out Israel.

Israel has nukes and is trying to build an excuse to wipe out Iran (without incurring internal or international wrath).

source/citation (not so much for the nukes, but for wanting to wipe out Iran)?

Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written

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If this short read piked your interest in Stuxnet, I can recommend the book "Countdown to Zero Day: Stuxnet and the Launch of the World's First Digital Weapon". It explains in great detail how Stuxnet worked and, which I found the most exciting, how it was discovered and reverse engineered.

I read this book a while ago.

Whilst I enjoyed the multiple viewpoints it provides (some claim that Stuxnet was actually quite sloppily written, depending on numerous factors), it happened to be one of those books which wrote 100 pages worth of information in 400 pages instead and dragged every little point on. YMMV.

Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written

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I would argue that this one was more sophisticated: http://pferrie.tripod.com/papers/zmist.pdf What I am seeing lately with malware is increasing decline in sophistication, today malware is lame compared to the malware created around 2000. I would think that level of low level knowledge is rapidly dropping. When there were still real file infectors, there were some serious nasty technologies involved (btw, todays ran…

Maybe it is the other way around: Todays malware (or a portion of it) is written so good that you don't know about it. Maybe someday another whistleblower will let us know.

Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written

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Try not to think about how many SREs in the big five are likely receiving a second secret paycheck from Langley and/or Fort Meade.

They mentioned they were Tawainese comapanies. I’d bet it was stolen rather than passed to them by some insider.

Yeah, if you've got a big budget, state sponsoring, and years to plan how to steal a signing key from a foreign company, I'm not going to bet against you.

Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written

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Would it have been easier or harder to implement Stuxnet if the target networks were running some sort of linux? Or if it would've been a mac-only facility? I'm curious.

Linux and Mac have bugs just like Windows. The only reason they have a reputation of being safer is because windows dominates marketshare, so any "spray and pray" type virus will naturally target windows over mac/linux.

On the other hand, if you or your organization is the victim of a targeted hack, it makes no difference what OS you're running. Any sufficiently motivated and skilled attacker will eventually find a way to exploit it.

As long as new software continues to be released, there will always be bugs. There is no security panacea.

Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written

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Considering that Israel is the nation always mongering war against Iran I second you.

Well, to be fair, Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon and wants to wipe out Israel.

well to be fair, a nuclear armed country has threatened to bomb Iran back to the stone age (and has a reputation for trumped invasions in the area) as well as a vast history of interfering in the country including coup and assassinations.

Perhaps they feel threatened.

And the "wipe Israel off the face of the map" quote is contested.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-a...

> Then, specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.

> Cole said this week that in the 1980s Khomeini gave a speech in which he said in Persian “Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” This means, “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.” But then anonymous wire service translators rendered Khomeini as saying that Israel “must be wiped off the face of the map,” which Cole and Nourouzi say is inaccurate.

Sure there are some in Iran who will probably say that. Just like there are some in the western countries that if inteviewed will say the same of whoever the current bogey man is. Hell, John Bolton is back

Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written

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Well, to be fair, Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon and wants to wipe out Israel.

Every time someone brings up "wants to wipe out xyz", I wonder how that would play out. North Korea wants to nuke the US and SK, Iran wants to nuke Israel, Pakistan wants to nuke India, etc. But playing the scenario in your head leaves to a simple conclusion: If either NK or Iran would deploy nukes, it would be their end. It is likely that the US will remain the only nation on this planet who dropped nukes on civilia…

I really hope you're right, but your view assumes rational players which, judging by human history, is far from guaranteed.

Re: The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software ever written

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post #33
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to be fair, Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon and wants to wipe out Israel.

Every time someone brings up "wants to wipe out xyz", I wonder how that would play out. North Korea wants to nuke the US and SK, Iran wants to nuke Israel, Pakistan wants to nuke India, etc. But playing the scenario in your head leaves to a simple conclusion: If either NK or Iran would deploy nukes, it would be their end. It is likely that the US will remain the only nation on this planet who dropped nukes on civilia…

Actually, none of the countries you mentioned want to nuke any other. It's all propaganda, some from the potential nukers, most of it by those on the receiving end.
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