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New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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I wonder when we will start seeing > 1Gpbs Ethernet in consumer products. I've read about initiatives for 5 or 10Gb consumer Ethernet. I'd love to be able to push/pull from my NAS at > 100MB/s.

SMB3 multichannel does allow you to exceed 1Gbps across multiple bonded links. If your NAS has 3 or 4 1Gig ports, that might get you there, with an intel 10Gig card in your desktop and a 10Gig-capable switch.

Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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I wonder when we will start seeing > 1Gpbs Ethernet in consumer products. I've read about initiatives for 5 or 10Gb consumer Ethernet. I'd love to be able to push/pull from my NAS at > 100MB/s.

> I'd love to be able to push/pull from my NAS at > 100MB/s.

At a guess you are not a typical consumer. 10G will happen for the consumer, but 100G might never happen for the consumer. And I suspect it will be a while (quite a few years) before 10G will become commonplace enough that economies of scale kick in making it affordable.

Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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I remember having to schedule a 780Kb download overnight and hoping no one picked the phone up. Or years later having to download shows in advance (illegally because they weren’t available) because streaming wasn’t possible. Now I casually (and legally) boot up any show I feel like within seconds at HD resolutions. I love thinking about the sheer amount of data that is traversing around the internet now. And it’s mor…

60hz even is low today by competitive standards for FPS games. 128 is nice, it should be a minimum.

I don't think there's a regular FPS game that does 60Hz. That's usually reserved for the private servers, tournaments.

This guy does a lot of game network analysis of the most popular FPS games:

https://www.youtube.com/user/xFPxAUTh0r1ty/videos

Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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Yes, I've worked with several that can do that. The interesting thing with disk arrays now is the controller heads are becoming the bottleneck. You used to have many many shelves of SAS drives per controller pair, now the SSDs are so fast that the CPUs are saturated and you have to scale out, not up.

If I can't (reliably) handle 100GBps coming from the RAID array it sounds like I'm not going to be able to handle 400GBps coming in from the NIC. So these really are just for interconnects for the time being, until server hardware gets faster.

There are some applications which can handle 100Gbps and potentially higher speeds on servers. Usually they require using DPDK or similar frameworks with userland TCP stack (and thus are usually pretty specialized), but at least Netflix has managed to serve 90+Gbps of TLS traffic using "default" FreeBSD TCP stack (https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/serving-100-gbps-from-an...).

Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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Often it’s only on LAN games for tourneys where the tick rate is that high. With internet latency or bandwidth requirements at that rate you are going to start dropping more and more packets and suffer from potentially more client side mispredictions.

Packet loss is usually very low. 1% and the game will most likely be unplayable.

Sending twice as many packets and losing 1% of them should be playable.

Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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upcoming on-camera flash memory interface https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFexpress basically a way of putting a M.2 interface NVME PCI-Express SSD into a camera. https://petapixel.com/2018/04/09/prograde-digital-unveils-wo...

According to the link that's currently limited to 2 GB/s which far to slow to use for this. Phantom v2640 needs ~50+x that speed to do it in real time and I assume the bandwidth needs will keep increasing on the next model.

So what storage device does it use currently? except for RAM, there is not much faster than a NVME based, PCI-Express 3.0 x8 interface SSD.

If it's some truly ridiculous bitrate it probably uses proprietary packs of RAM with battery backing.

Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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60hz even is low today by competitive standards for FPS games. 128 is nice, it should be a minimum.

I don't think there's a regular FPS game that does 60Hz. That's usually reserved for the private servers, tournaments. This guy does a lot of game network analysis of the most popular FPS games: https://www.youtube.com/user/xFPxAUTh0r1ty/videos

I think you mean 128Hz as most games have settled on around 60Hz for any sort of competitive FPS game play. As per the person you linked, Rainbow 6 Siege, Battlefield 1(and 4/Hardline, presumably), CS:GO, Overwatch, CoD: WW2, and Quake Champions are all at least 60Hz for the client and server, while Quake Champions is 144Hz for the client. The only game I can think that uses 128Hz for both the client and server is dedicated servers or private matchmaking clients for CS:GO, and the game using less than 60Hz for the server are usually smaller games or battle royale games like PUBG and Fortnite.

Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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100G/wave device will be the norm moving forward and 8 lane devices for 400G won’t be around much except in niche applications.

for long reach, yes, but not for ISP-to-ISP interconnection... the cost of coherent (QPSK, 8PSK, 16QAM) 100G SerDes and modulation/demodulation is considerably higher and only justified if going a great many km. For intra-peering-facility connections I don't see coherent 100G (or multiples of coherent 100G bundled by CWDM into 200G, 400G interfaces) becoming the norm anytime soon.

I was looking at this the other day; it sounds like 100G-DR1 and 400G-DR4 are not coherent and vendors are aiming to make it commodity. Coherent is more like 200-600G per lambda.

Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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Does aanyone here work with consuming (not just passing it kn) these amounts of traffic? How do you manage to get anything meaningful out of it?

Yes, in my company we generate and receive uncompressed video in software and get to these kinds of bandwidths from a couple of servers running dual 100GbE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4L5xEXXlas

Re: New Optical Form Factors for 400 Gigabit Ethernet

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Packet loss is usually very low. 1% and the game will most likely be unplayable.

Sending twice as many packets and losing 1% of them should be playable.

Maybe if you send some packets twice. Otherwise no. Packet loss is deadly.
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