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A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

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Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

#41

this is awesome and reminds me of the tiling puzzle from the book Anathem: http://anathem.wikia.com/wiki/Teglon or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose_tiling I would love to have a Penrose tiling puzzle set.

I'm at work right now, but give me a day and I will design that.

You will like this i assume:

https://hyperallergic.com/416579/engare-game-islamic-design/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girih_tiles

Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

#42

this is awesome and reminds me of the tiling puzzle from the book Anathem: http://anathem.wikia.com/wiki/Teglon or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose_tiling I would love to have a Penrose tiling puzzle set.

I recently stumbled across this old site: http://www.mathpuzzle.com/ctrules.html

I reverse-engineered the tiles in OpenSCAD. Let me know and I'll upload them.

Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

#43
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This would be even more awesome if the puzzle pieces were curved, so they'd form a Klein bottle when put together.

I have a 3D jigsaw puzzle that makes a globe (i.e. the Earth) that consists of curved plastic pieces. It shouldn't be too hard to make such a Klein puzzle, though solving it is harder. The globe puzzle includes a small bowl (of the same radius as the finished globe) to assist putting the pieces together; this wouldn't be possible with a klein bottle due to there not being a consistent radius.

Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

#44
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This would be even more awesome if the puzzle pieces were curved, so they'd form a Klein bottle when put together.

I think the flat version is a more authentic representation of the 4-dimensional object. If you were a 2D creature embedded in the surface of a Klein bottle, space would seem flat in every direction... at least until you went out for a walk and found the mirror-image of your house.

Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

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How does one map an existing locally-similar pseudorandom pattern like the galaxy image onto a torus, Klein Bottle, or other closed shape? I know that with a generated pattern (e.g. Perlin noise) you automatically get that by taking the value of the noise function at the surface coordinates, but I have no clue about using existing planar images.

Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

#46

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If you imagine the surface that is formed when every possible connection between pieces is made simultaneously, that surface is a Klein bottle. Obviously, making all the connections simultaneously is not possible in 3 dimensions, without allowing the pieces to deform and intersect each other.

Does that property imply a Klein bottle? I was not aware they were synonymous.

A Klein bottle can be defined topologically as a Mobius strip that's connected on both axes. So if the left side is connected to the right side with a mirror twist, and the top is connected to the bottom with a mirror twist, it's topologically a Klein bottle.

Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

#47

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I'm at work right now, but give me a day and I will design that.

Woah, Thanks! Does the AK in your name stand for Alaska? If so, I'm in Anchorage.

No, that's my first initial and last name (A Krumbach).

Anyway, "puzzle" is now available at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KYDTZ2AVWQfWCSACUvfl5gAIHzA...

If I counted correctly, you should be able to make a roughly rectangular shape out of the provided pieces. (Even if I miscalculated, I think they make a good exploration toy for the P2 tiling anyway.)

Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

#48

So it's many (more than I want to admit :-) years since my Euclidean and Non-Euclidian Geometry class, but isn't this a cross-cap, not a Klein bottle?

This one is a Klein Bottle but we just released a cross cap one yesterday: https://n-e-r-v-o-u-s.com/blog/?p=8068

Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

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from the article: > Multiple infinity puzzles can be combined to create a larger continuous puzzle. The image above shows some of the creative combinations possible with two infinity puzzles of different colors ($75, for two). here is the image from the quote: https://i2.wp.com/n-e-r-v-o-u-s.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/...

Sorry! I should’ve both read and expressed myself more carefully. I meant the Klein bottle topology, not the torus. EDIT: FWIW torus puzzles are definitely not a new thing - I had this one as a kid: http://img.tradera.net/images/096/270662096_95a37033-d8f9-4c...

Nice! I haven't seen these before. There's also a brand of puzzles called Schmuzzles that are based on an escher lizard and tile. I would say the difference between these and our torus-based puzzles is that they employ a tessellation cut with repetitive piece shapes such that the image is guiding the construction (as all pieces fit in all places). In our puzzles, each piece only goes one place as they each have a unique shape. Our Klein Bottle and Cross-cap puzzles is are a new idea (to the best of my knowledge).

Re: A puzzle that tiles infinitely across both sides, based on the Klein Bottle

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post #44
post #6

This would be even more awesome if the puzzle pieces were curved, so they'd form a Klein bottle when put together.

I think the flat version is a more authentic representation of the 4-dimensional object. If you were a 2D creature embedded in the surface of a Klein bottle, space would seem flat in every direction... at least until you went out for a walk and found the mirror-image of your house.

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