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Re: Meadow is the Amazon of weed

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Post by JPKab »

FearNotDaniel wrote: post #2

Jesus Christ, what a hypocritical world we live in. Such Orwellian doublethink to maintain the pretense that only 'patients' are receiving 'medical marijuana' from 'dispensaries', otherwise the powers that be might shut the whole thing down in a fit of 'reefer madness' paranoia about the collapse of society. Maybe it'll take two or more generations of maintaining this ridiculous charade, everyone admiring the Emperor…

I live in Colorado. Unlike California, this state never had a very scammable medical mmj system that acted as a quasi rec system in disguise.

Instead, they went full rec a few years ago, and now we all admit that most people smoke weed because it's fun.

It has legitimate medical effects, but the vast majority of med patients are fakers looking for a discount here. I know a few.

Re: Meadow is the Amazon of weed

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Post by mbrameld »

dumbneurologist wrote: post #15
hguhghuff wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t the charade corrupt the integrity of the medical profession?

It does, actually. The doctors who do this (largely running a cash-only practice) are really a disgrace to the profession. It's good to be willing to think outside the box and practice with compassion, but it's another thing entirely to create prescriptions for surreptitious indications that is motivated by personal profit.

Could they be motivated instead by the belief that by giving the recommendation for cannabis they are reducing the overall potential for harm to the patient?

Re: Meadow is the Amazon of weed

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Post by mbrameld »

supahfly_remix wrote: post #29
dumbneurologist wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are exactly right. As a doctor who sees patients with a legitimate use for compounds that come from the cannabis plant, the people who want recreational access just bog down the health system. I am strongly in favor of federal recreational legalization, if for no other reason than to get it out of my office. Prohibition has failed, and legalization is a far superior public policy option. Recreational use should b…

Out of curiosity, does medical ethics as governed by official medical bodies say anything about whether it's ethical for doctors to prescribe drugs for recreational, rather than medical, use?

I would argue it from the other direction: it's unethical for a doctor NOT to recommend cannabis to a patient seeking it. Based on the evidence we have available today, incarceration causes more health problems than cannabis use.

Re: Meadow is the Amazon of weed

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Post by merinowool »

hapnin wrote: post #30
pstuart wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Prohibition has failed In a sad way, it's been very successful in the context it was enacted: as a tool to oppress "minorities". It was never about actual dangers from cannabis itself.

You're correct. John Erlichman, convicted Nixon aide, said as much: "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily,…

Such revelation should cause heads to roll, people being released, pardoned and being paid compensation beside the end of prohibition. But there is not much happening. Why people are in such apathy?

Re: Meadow is the Amazon of weed

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Post by merinowool »

dekhn wrote: post #24
FearNotDaniel wrote: post #2

Jesus Christ, what a hypocritical world we live in. Such Orwellian doublethink to maintain the pretense that only 'patients' are receiving 'medical marijuana' from 'dispensaries', otherwise the powers that be might shut the whole thing down in a fit of 'reefer madness' paranoia about the collapse of society. Maybe it'll take two or more generations of maintaining this ridiculous charade, everyone admiring the Emperor…

I use medical marijuana to treat anxiety and back pain. It's effective. I also have a PhD in biophysics with a specialty in drug design so if you want to talk about the pharmaceutical value of thc and cbd we can do that. My state, CA, has legalized recreational, but I am keeping my prescription (obtained legally from a doctor). Note also the FDA just approved a cbd med.

What do you think of CBD only oils versus THC:CBD in terms of treatment of pain?

Re: Meadow is the Amazon of weed

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Post by dekhn »

merinowool wrote: post #46
dekhn wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use medical marijuana to treat anxiety and back pain. It's effective. I also have a PhD in biophysics with a specialty in drug design so if you want to talk about the pharmaceutical value of thc and cbd we can do that. My state, CA, has legalized recreational, but I am keeping my prescription (obtained legally from a doctor). Note also the FDA just approved a cbd med.

What do you think of CBD only oils versus THC:CBD in terms of treatment of pain?

I've never tried pure cbd at all. I use 99.9 percent thc.

Re: Meadow is the Amazon of weed

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Post by shaftway »

dumbneurologist wrote: post #14
FearNotDaniel wrote: post #2

Jesus Christ, what a hypocritical world we live in. Such Orwellian doublethink to maintain the pretense that only 'patients' are receiving 'medical marijuana' from 'dispensaries', otherwise the powers that be might shut the whole thing down in a fit of 'reefer madness' paranoia about the collapse of society. Maybe it'll take two or more generations of maintaining this ridiculous charade, everyone admiring the Emperor…

You are exactly right. As a doctor who sees patients with a legitimate use for compounds that come from the cannabis plant, the people who want recreational access just bog down the health system. I am strongly in favor of federal recreational legalization, if for no other reason than to get it out of my office. Prohibition has failed, and legalization is a far superior public policy option. Recreational use should b…

In California (pre-recreational use) I got the impression that it was entirely outside of the health system. To get your recommendation you saw a doctor that only handles cannabis recommendations, and often that's via video conferencing. There's a cursory health check (blood pressure, pulse, etc.), but nothing too in-depth and it was done by a technician. Insurance doesn't cover it, so you pay out of pocket and you're done.

Doctors either only did cannabis recommendations, or they didn't do them at all, so conventional doctors weren't bogged down by this.

Re: Meadow is the Amazon of weed

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Post by merinowool »

fragmede wrote: post #34
FearNotDaniel wrote: post #2

Jesus Christ, what a hypocritical world we live in. Such Orwellian doublethink to maintain the pretense that only 'patients' are receiving 'medical marijuana' from 'dispensaries', otherwise the powers that be might shut the whole thing down in a fit of 'reefer madness' paranoia about the collapse of society. Maybe it'll take two or more generations of maintaining this ridiculous charade, everyone admiring the Emperor…

Where "on the ground" in the US? Much like Amsterdam differs from the rest of the EU on cannabis, cannabis in the US ranges from being legal for recreational use in California (yes, really!), to being jailed for 20 years for trace amounts in your car in other states. There are cannabis products that happens to be (gasp!) enjoyable, so it should just be available next to beer and wine in stores as well. Puritanical at…

I live in Europe an sadly only viable option to treat chronic pain is to use black market. This is tragic. I wish I had quality of life people can have in legal states. But drugs are immoral heads in the TV say. Sometimes I question what is the point to live in this world.

Re: Meadow is the Amazon of weed

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Post by namlem »

DenisM wrote: post #32
dekhn wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use medical marijuana to treat anxiety and back pain. It's effective. I also have a PhD in biophysics with a specialty in drug design so if you want to talk about the pharmaceutical value of thc and cbd we can do that. My state, CA, has legalized recreational, but I am keeping my prescription (obtained legally from a doctor). Note also the FDA just approved a cbd med.

When does pot increase or decrease anxiety? A bit of a puzzle here.

Honestly, the science is still incomplete. We do know that there is quite a bit of genetic variation that comes into play with regards to how THC affects the user though.
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