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Time to rebuild the web?

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Re: Time to rebuild the web?

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Post by robin_reala »

nickjj wrote: post #9

It's weird that the author mentions the 90s and how the web was not meant to be walled gardens, but then decided to omit AOL from the story. AOL was one big ass walled garden back in the 1990s. It was pretty popular back then. The funny thing is, back then, it was popular for 2 groups of people. First were younger kids who wanted to stir up trouble on the network (AOHell, etc.). The second were old people. My uncle i…

That’s a pretty US-centric take on things though. AOL didn’t exist in any great form in the UK certainly, and the walled gardens that did (BBSes, CIX, Compuserve etc) pretty much evaporated by the mid-90s.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

lioeters wrote: post #37
fimdomeio wrote: post #33

I've been toying with the idea of creating a web 0.5 that consists mostly of a meta tag and a piece of css (body:after{...}) that hides the contents while directing users to use a textmode only browser. Rules would be page is valid if it doesn't contain css or js. I think this could be an incredible fun experiment somewhat in the same style as the tilde club. If it became popular enough who knows... maybe the communi…

I like the idea of a text-only browser, back to the basics. Oh and I miss web rings!

Of course then you get into Gopher only territory. I wouldn't mind some CSS / HTML only sites like HN, your JS is limited to 5KB, jQuery isn't allowed, etc. Minify the web! Literally.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

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Post by naranha »

goatlover wrote: post #32
harperlee wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it office already a "local webapp", under the hood? You can open any document in-browser through SharePoint server, have (almost?) full functionality, all documents are XML... There are lots of little signs that Microsoft is rewriting everything to be seamlessly used through a browser, and that when you open it locally you just don't notice that you are using an "office browser". Even Visual Studio has also web…

You still download and install Office 365 as applications and run them independent of a web browser and can do so without an internet connection. They also have their own updater. Yes, you can run them on the web from the Office 365 portal, but that's the html version. The installed version is still fundamentally a desktop platform. I'm pretty sure it's written C# or C++ and runs on dotnet. An SPA is a web page run i…

> An SPA is a web page run in the browser over http(s).

I'd argue that if they are using web technologies (like vscode) they are still profiting from web innovations. Isn't electron just a way to distribute SPA on the desktop (plus some integrations).

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

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Post by jen729w »

martin_drapeau wrote: post #30

When I ask friends and family who use Facebook daily, privacy and security never come up as pain points. Media is blowing everything out of proportion. Replacing Facebook with RSS or Feedly is nonsense. My friends and family have no idea what those are. Facebook makes it easy for people to connect with old friends and family members through active human interactions: like this, follow her, read that. By doing so you…

One of the few times I’ve heard a counter to this was an old fisherman who took us out on a boat here in Melbourne, Australia. Proper bloke, skin like leather from the sun, done nothing but run fishing trips his whole life.

He was lamenting the loss of a particular forum with one of the other guys. “All just on Facebook now”, he said, and he said it with sadness. He missed that old forum.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

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Post by jcalabro »

naranha wrote: post #5

SPAs have made almost all desktop applications obsolete. DevTools have deprecated view source. Through progress and innovation the web can do a lot more than 20 years ago. Sure the web is being abused for tracking by Google and Facebook but that was also possible 20 years ago with a single img-tag.

> SPAs have made almost all desktop applications obsolete.

Adobe, office for desktop, text editors, video games, my command line, iTunes, yada yada yada. Native applications are a hugely important part of my computer usage and I personally prefer to keep it that way.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

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Post by JPGalt »

hasa wrote: post #18

Blockchain mentioned! Where are other useless buzzwords ?

cloud, deep-learning, robotics, augmented reality, computer vision, actionable analytics, RUSSIAN BOT, Internet of Things, big data, agile, design thinking, freemium, gamification, incubator, lean, SaaS, thought leader...this is enough because thinking about this is making me lose all respect for humanity.
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