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Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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For folks who are not aware, there are like a dozen commercial products that already do this. If you sign on with Cision, for example, you can pull an up-to-date list of reporters in any U.S. market, filtered by beat, outlet, channel, topic, etc., and send an email to all of them by pushing a button. Then you can click over to the monitoring dashboard and pull media stats by reporter, keyword, channel, etc. Can't rem…

Seriously.

This is standard public relations practice. Everyone should have a list of press contacts and influencers.

This is the wrong hill for liberals to die on.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cambridge Analytica managed to affect U.S. elections with a small subset of this data. Is this an accepted fact now? I know they tried but is there hard proof that without them it would have been a different outcome?

Their ex-CEO claims they did, FWIW [1]. [1] http://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/cambridge-an...

It's just PR and advertising for his company's services. What actually swayed the elections was the DNC hack.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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For folks who are not aware, there are like a dozen commercial products that already do this. If you sign on with Cision, for example, you can pull an up-to-date list of reporters in any U.S. market, filtered by beat, outlet, channel, topic, etc., and send an email to all of them by pushing a button. Then you can click over to the monitoring dashboard and pull media stats by reporter, keyword, channel, etc. Can't rem…

For folks who are not aware, there is a huge difference between a private company doing something and a government doing something. Government is the institution of violent enforcement, making them much more powerful and potentially dangerous than a PR consulting firm.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment breaks the HN guidelines badly, especially these: "Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." ... with predictably wretched results. Please don't do this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You do see that I didn't start any flame war, but a responder did? It's not a generic tangent because it refers directly to the content of the article. The intention is to illuminate the similarities, and hopefully bring about some empathy for others who don't want to be on lists for exercising their rights... I notice you didn't warn the anti rights person who did start the flamewar, because that person refuses to a…

Introducing the flamewar topic makes you responsible for the flamewar, which is why I replied to you, as well as to at least one other user who made it worse.

I don't disagree with your opinions; I don't even know what they are. The only thing I care about is that users abide by the site rules when posting here, because if we don't actively take care of that, this place will go up in flames.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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The article states that the reason for them doing this is to help combat foreign influence in elections. Would having access to this information help track trends in real time and investigate who is doing the influencing? What else could they do to counteract foreign influence?

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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For folks who are not aware, there are like a dozen commercial products that already do this. If you sign on with Cision, for example, you can pull an up-to-date list of reporters in any U.S. market, filtered by beat, outlet, channel, topic, etc., and send an email to all of them by pushing a button. Then you can click over to the monitoring dashboard and pull media stats by reporter, keyword, channel, etc. Can't rem…

Does Cision track the entire world in all languages and include blogers ad social media influencers?

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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For folks who are not aware, there are like a dozen commercial products that already do this. If you sign on with Cision, for example, you can pull an up-to-date list of reporters in any U.S. market, filtered by beat, outlet, channel, topic, etc., and send an email to all of them by pushing a button. Then you can click over to the monitoring dashboard and pull media stats by reporter, keyword, channel, etc. Can't rem…

For folks who are not aware, there is a huge difference between a private company doing something and a government doing something. Government is the institution of violent enforcement, making them much more powerful and potentially dangerous than a PR consulting firm.

That's only true as long as corporations remain relatively small in power. There has been a definite trend in consolidation of power amongst the larger corporations and if it continues there won't be much practical difference between them or the government

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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"Despite what some reporters may suggest, this is nothing more than the standard practice of monitoring current events in the media. Any suggestion otherwise is fit for tin foil hat wearing, black helicopter conspiracy theorists." — https://twitter.com/SpoxDHS/status/982372727309963264 You're not a tin foil hat wearing, black helicopter conspiracy theorist, now are you?

That tweet might have been amusing if our President was not a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist (not sure what he thinks about black helicopters). Question for down voters: Can you seriously make a case that he is not a conspiracy theorist?

Well, you stated a claim that seems quite outlandish. Then you edit and question down-voters if they can "seriously" prove you wrong? Unless it's well-known fact or something agreed on by everyone, making such a bold statement would require you to prove your case. Not the other way around.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pretty sure that they tried and had some effect. It is hard to estimate the magnitude of the effect and probably impossible to prove if they managed to sway the elections.

I am as incensed over Cambridge Analytica's effort to microtarget, as I was over OFA's similar effort, using similar data from similar sources ... though ... Cambridge's source was an allegedly dishonest broker from what has been reported, and OFA went to the source and got assistance. The headline isn't and shouldn't be that Cambridge impacted the election. This is obviously not true. There are other similar claims…

> Mebbe we should focus our anger on this, and demand no microtargeting using socially derived data for elections

Just one out of the many links for the lazy, written just after the 2012 elections: "How Data and Micro-Targeting Won the 2012 Election for Obama - Antony Young-Mindshare North America" (https://www.mediavillage.com/article/how-data-and-micro-targ...) .

Reading it now is just, I don't know how to say it because English is not my mother tongue, but maybe ghoul-y is the word? That feeling when you watch a series-B horror movie and you can see the monster is in the house, is just in the room next to the victim, but you can't tell the victim because, well, you have no psych powers. Just copy-pasting some of the paragraphs from that article (which I had found after a quick google search) shows that we should have known about this monster since at least (now) 6 years, we should have seen that it was in the room just next to us, but we did nothing, we only made it worse:

> How did Obama win? (...) At the heart of these two strategies, was micro-targeting.

> Micro-targeting is the ability to dissect in this case, the voter population in to narrow segments and customize messaging to them, both in on-the-ground activities and in the media. (...) But it was the sophistication and the scale of how they executed this strategy that in the end, proved the knock-out punch for the Democrats.

and especially

> The Obama camp in preparing for this election, established a huge Analytics group that comprised of behavioral scientists, data technologists and mathematicians. They worked tirelessly to gather and interpret data to inform every part of the campaign. They built up a voter file that included voter history, demographic profiles, but also collected numerous other data points around interests … for example, did they give to charitable organizations or which magazines did they read to help them better understand who they were and better identify the group of 'persuadables' to target.

and

> That data was able to be drilled down to zip codes, individual households and in many cases individuals within those households.

and then it gets WTF-y (pardon my French):

> Volunteers canvassing door to door or calling constituents were able to access these profiles via an app accessed on an iPad, iPhone or Android mobile device to provide an instant transcript to help them steer their conversations. They were also able to input new data from their conversation back into the database real time.

> The profiles informed their direct and email fundraising efforts. They used issues such Obama's support for gay marriage or Romney's missteps in his portrayal of women to directly target more liberal and professional women on their database, with messages that "Obama is for women," using that opportunity to solicit contributions to his campaign

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