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Police say shooter’s anger over YouTube policies ‘appears to be the motive’

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Re: Police say shooter’s anger over YouTube policies ‘appears to be the motive’

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Post by Karunamon »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #31

Youtube videos are getting demonetized based on advertisers not wanting to be associated with certain things. However, watching online and TV coverage of the shooting where people were actually severely injured and someone died, there didn't seem to be a dearth of advertising. If advertisers don't mind being associated with death and destruction, I think that when push comes to shove advertisers care more about reach…

Those were my thoughts as well. I’d be willing to bet that nothing would happen if Google were to call their bluff.

Can’t blame them for not wanting to take the risk.

Re: Police say shooter’s anger over YouTube policies ‘appears to be the motive’

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Post by matt-attack »

Slansitartop wrote: post #26
JarlUlvi wrote: post #3

Beyond the censorship issues & lawsuits, Google regularly gets a pass when their crummy policies negatively impact people. While it is horrible that some were hurt in the process, I wonder if this will make Google start approaching their huge amounts of power with some civility.

> Beyond the censorship issues & lawsuits, Google regularly gets a pass when their crummy policies negatively impact people. While it is horrible that some were hurt in the process, I wonder if this will make Google start approaching their huge amounts of power with some civility. Probably not. Whenever there's a shooting, there seems to be a strong pressure to disregard the idea of addressing the shooter's motives.…

Why then is there such an obsession with determining the motive. Or classifying the act as terrorism or something else.

Honestly I can’t figure out why anyone even cares what the motive was. Doesn’t undo the harm done. The attempt to “understand” is too close to “excusing”. Which then further motivates others to use the same methods.

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Post by vonzeppelin »

noobermin wrote: post #29
JarlUlvi wrote: post #3

Beyond the censorship issues & lawsuits, Google regularly gets a pass when their crummy policies negatively impact people. While it is horrible that some were hurt in the process, I wonder if this will make Google start approaching their huge amounts of power with some civility.

While this was flagged to hell, probably due to insensitivity, this will become a point of discussion going forward. In the aftermath of the terrorist attack in Paris, follow up articles appeared on HN discussing the situation of poor communities on the outskirts of Paris. Although being sensitive is important and just plain human courtesy, and we should be civil, it is important for discourse to discuss the situatio…

>Incidentally, today is MLK's birthday.

Death anniversary, not birthday. His (and my!) birthday is 1/15 which is why we celebrate MLK day on the most convenient Monday near that.

Re: Police say shooter’s anger over YouTube policies ‘appears to be the motive’

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Post by tw1010 »

_m8fo wrote: post #34

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You superimpose inequality on the national mindscape and out comes a radical extremist on the mentally unstable subset of the map, and you infer that that is a signal that the rest will cascade into an occupy style phase shift? Alarmist much?

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Post by s73v3r_ »

mieseratte wrote: post #7
pnutjam wrote: post #2

Yet another licensed and legal weapon.

Yet another mentally ill individual who did not get the treatment they so clearly needed.

Not every shooter is mentally ill. In fact, most mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than the perpetrators. Most shooters are just shitheads, not mentally ill, and to constantly conflate the two is to add additional stigma to mental illness.

In addition, if this truly was a mental health problem, Congress could increase funding for mental health treatment by the end of the week, Trump could sign it by the middle of next week, and we could see an increase in people getting treatment by the end of next month. The fact that we're not seeing that leads me to believe that most know this isn't as much of a mental health problem as people think.

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Post by ucaetano »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #31

Youtube videos are getting demonetized based on advertisers not wanting to be associated with certain things. However, watching online and TV coverage of the shooting where people were actually severely injured and someone died, there didn't seem to be a dearth of advertising. If advertisers don't mind being associated with death and destruction, I think that when push comes to shove advertisers care more about reach…

Advertisers don't mind having their ads shown next to all violent content, only to some violent (and some "controversial" content).

Most advertisers won't mind being shown next to a major news channel, but they might mind being shown next to a gore channel, or a channel run by some more radical news organizations.

It isn't the content, it's the message. And that's a hard problem.

There's one episode of Mad Man that addresses the same problem. An employee of the ad agency ends up having to read the scripts of all TV shows in advance to select the ones that a certain advertiser wouldn't want to be associated with, for example, those referencing abortion.

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Post by matt-attack »

mars4rp wrote: post #13

"We know that she was upset with YouTube; whether that rises to the level of terrorism will hopefully be determined in the coming weeks.” I was really shocked that she is not labeled terrorist yet! and here it is!

Each of us is free to classify this act however we wish. The obsession with how the states chooses to classify something unnecessarily gives the government too much credibility, control, etc.

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Post by jurassic »

_m8fo wrote: post #34

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The kind of injustice that has more or less always been there (e.g. the financial system favoring the rich over the poor) seems less likely to provoke this kind of sudden and violent response. The shooter’s anger was over a sudden change in policy that she perceived as unfair. Loss and loss aversion are powerful psychological drivers. If her videos had always been handled the way they are now, she probably never would have shot up their office because she never would have had the opportunity to feel she lost something she was previously entitled to.
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