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An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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I worked at a startup where we had a floor of empty offices. We sometimes would paid people to walk around the office floor and sit in offices when major customers wanted to come and visit. When the customer was in the boss' office discussing the deal, one of the "employees" would always stick his head in the office and say "Hey, I needed to ask you a question. Should I come back?" and the boss would be like "yeah, why don't you come back in an hour after I am done with John here."

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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East Asians have some of the best outcomes of any demographic: higher income, more educated, lower criminality, lower divorce rate, etc. In a country that is arguably designed to maximally benefit whites, they are beating white people at basically everything. This goes far beyond gaming credentials, it's real world outcomes. We could stand to lower our bar with them a little and still get ahead.

Though edged out (in the US) by South Asians, I believe.

I'm only [something]-ist with China because we're in a trade war with them. Let's go out of our way to make sure we're welcoming as many of the best Chinese as possible. But generally speaking, I'm happy to open the door to anyone who is likely going to up our averages.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Not surprising that large companies would have 'stooge' employees in place for just this sort of thing. I have heard of it happening in at least one major store chain here many years ago. Kind of reminiscent of one of the first episodes in the series 'Suits' where Louis Litt is interviewing a new junior employee for the firm, and he pulls in another junior mid-interview to dress him down and dismiss him in front of t…

I also heard the story of a digital agency that rented a huge space, painted the walls with bright colors and hired a bunch of actors to pose as employees. The idea was to deceive and close a deal with a potential big client that insisted in visiting their offices.

Villain du jour, Cambridge Analytica changed their name and rented a office in Cambridge filled with London based employees to win over the intellectual Steve Bannon

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistl...

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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I had a boss that used to scold me in front of others to show that he was tough and impartial. It took two or three times to see the pattern (he expected me to see by myself). Too good I didn't overreact...

Urgh. That's such a basic leadership thing (scold in private) that it just infruiates me that someone wouldn't get that. Hopefully your boss figured that out or was moved out of a leadership position. It's roughly the equivalent of a developer that writes shit code with concurrency issues, basic code smells, etc...that would be drummed out in short order. For some reason, we don't hold leaders to the same standard.

>Urgh. That's such a basic leadership thing (scold in private) that it just infruiates me that someone wouldn't get that.

Reminded :) Russian military officer training - when you tear a new one to your subordinate, you have to do it in front of his peers, and that is the most important part of the process. The course was taught by a colonel with PhD in psychology.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do think we get their best and brightest. Gaming credentials is an art form in China and can't be taken at face value.

East Asians have some of the best outcomes of any demographic: higher income, more educated, lower criminality, lower divorce rate, etc. In a country that is arguably designed to maximally benefit whites, they are beating white people at basically everything. This goes far beyond gaming credentials, it's real world outcomes. We could stand to lower our bar with them a little and still get ahead.

or you could say we are for the most part only taking in a certain segment of the population from these countries. Educated and already middle class or higher. You are not comparing apples to apples.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also heard the story of a digital agency that rented a huge space, painted the walls with bright colors and hired a bunch of actors to pose as employees. The idea was to deceive and close a deal with a potential big client that insisted in visiting their offices.

Back when his agency was a one man band, a friend pointed out that one advantage of a trendy shared workspace is that nobody ever asked how many of the people they saw in 'his' corner actually worked for him. I've also met people who've earned temp "work" in China being nothing more than white faces in the background to make the company look international to visitors

I keep hearing this about Chinese companies but I've never actually met someone who has done this or have any concrete example beyond "oh I've heard that people do that", and I've talked to a lot of white expats in China. You've actually met these people? Did they explain any other details?
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