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Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Right, but that was a privilege that the users authorized them to grant, no? As in, the people who signed up for CA's app had access to those profiles, and they explicitly granted CA's app access to those profiles. And then CA scraped them and saved them. Am I understanding correctly?

> that was a privilege that the users authorized them to grant Kogan was granted permission to ephemerally use, for academic purposes, the data of a quarter of a million people who authorized the access. Kogan got fifty million peoples' data ( i.e. Facebook let him scrape the data of people who had not given authorization, some of whom had explicitly gone into their privacy settings to turn off the sharing of their d…

This is hyperbole. He created an app, wrote in the description that it was for academic purposes, and then later amended the description / TOS to allow selling of data. Facebook is faulting him because he did not update them on the purpose of the app.

There were no systemic barriers in place that Kogan had to circumvent to get access to the data; the Facebook API worked as expected and gave it to him. Regardless of the original “purpose” of the app (a small textarea input you supply to FB), the API would provide the data. The “purpose” of an app does not affect what data is available to it in any meaningful way.

The idea that he should have notified Facebook of the changes is laughable; all he had to do is change a few text inputs to update the TOS. The FB platform does not treat an app differently based on its purpose. This is CYA language from FB trying to obfuscate the fact that any and every app has access to this same data, and FB has no control over what happens to the data once an app extracts it. Indeed, much of their business model depends on this premise.

Further, the practice of changing terms / functionality of an app is a laughably commonplace way of circumventing the nearly non-existent FB platform review process.

I have personally seen much worse incidents of FB app abuse in the wild. For example I once reverse engineered a top 10 iOS social app and discovered they were injecting custom JS into the WebView provided by FB to get the ID of all your friends, rather than the top 50 you can see. The app’s FB “app” was classified as a game which gave it the requisite permissions for abuse and even allowed the app to secretly invite all your FB friends to it without you ever knowing.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Why are people calling this a data breach? As I understand it, CA just scraped the data from users who authorized their app to do so. Am I missing something here?

And the friends of the users, including their shares/likes, who are largely unaware of it. That is THE meat of the incident. There is no consent to begin with.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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>If someone calls my bank and convinces customer service they are me, it would be reasonable to say the bank was breached. Not electronically. But breached nonetheless. That's a bad analogy. A more appropriate one would be if you called your bank and told them to allow a 3rd party to have access to all of your accounts, then blamed your bank when the 3rd party drained all your accounts. Facebook has no obligation to…

> A more appropriate one would be if you called your bank and told them to allow a 3rd party to have access to all of your accounts, then blamed your bank when the 3rd party drained all your accounts Better analogy: you call your bank to allow a third party to have access to all your accounts. My account gets drained. Still a breach.

... But you previously gave me the ability to manage your accounts, then I gave it to the 3rd party that then drained your account.

Still not a breach of the bank, nor a breach of facebook.

The app didn't have any "extra" access or anything other than what the person who installed it would have. The app used the information that the person gave it, and that included information on friends that the person had access to. If you were impacted, blame yourself, your friends that you gave information to who gave it to a 3rd party, and/or the company that made the app.

All facebook did was make the metaphorical parking lot that you got robbed in.

While I agree that there is more they can do here to prevent this kind of thing (like specific and explicit controls on what data an app wants/needs at install time), acting like this is a breach of their information is wrong.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Just get the f### off Facebook, already. If you're the kind of person who votes based on targeted advertising, or the hyperbolic posts of people who vote based on targeted advertising, don't ask Facebook to change. Get the f### off Facebook. If you don't like how Facebook is being used as an addictive propaganda tool by any and all political actors, including Facebook itself, then get the f### off Facebook. Ask the F…

Enough with the #. If you want to swear, swear. If you don't want to swear, don't.

For fuck's sake.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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post #38

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CA also scraped the data of friends of those users, meaning that many millions of people had their info exposed instead of a few hundred thousand.

I don't think that's really the problem. I mean, Obama's 2012 campaign scraped the data of Facebook friends of people who'd signed into the campaign website in order to figure out the most effective way to convince those friends to vote for him via microtargeting and other techniques, in particular working out which friends their volunteers could most easily convince to vote for him. We're not just talking about gene…

What you talk about Trump campaign is clearly far from the reality:

https://youtu.be/zb6-xz-geH4

Starting around 11:00

The CA person clearly shows, from the screenshots, they have personal level targeting to predict whether a person is neurotic or not, what ads should be used to exploit that.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Just get the f### off Facebook, already. If you're the kind of person who votes based on targeted advertising, or the hyperbolic posts of people who vote based on targeted advertising, don't ask Facebook to change. Get the f### off Facebook. If you don't like how Facebook is being used as an addictive propaganda tool by any and all political actors, including Facebook itself, then get the f### off Facebook. Ask the F…

Enough with the #. If you want to swear, swear. If you don't want to swear, don't. For fuck's sake.

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Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A more appropriate one would be if you called your bank and told them to allow a 3rd party to have access to all of your accounts, then blamed your bank when the 3rd party drained all your accounts Better analogy: you call your bank to allow a third party to have access to all your accounts. My account gets drained. Still a breach.

... But you previously gave me the ability to manage your accounts, then I gave it to the 3rd party that then drained your account. Still not a breach of the bank, nor a breach of facebook. The app didn't have any "extra" access or anything other than what the person who installed it would have. The app used the information that the person gave it, and that included information on friends that the person had access t…

Just like in real life, if someone slips and falls in the lot, the liability is on the owner of the lot. Owners of parking lots are incentivized to make sure people don't slip and fall or they will get sued.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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post #23

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The political momentum is building for America to import GDPR. Feels good.

America has already basically imported GDPR because all of the companies building GDPR tools are not going to restrict them to the EU for fear of accidentally blocking a genuine EU citizen.

Yeah like those accept cookies pop up which I despise

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A more appropriate one would be if you called your bank and told them to allow a 3rd party to have access to all of your accounts, then blamed your bank when the 3rd party drained all your accounts Better analogy: you call your bank to allow a third party to have access to all your accounts. My account gets drained. Still a breach.

... But you previously gave me the ability to manage your accounts, then I gave it to the 3rd party that then drained your account. Still not a breach of the bank, nor a breach of facebook. The app didn't have any "extra" access or anything other than what the person who installed it would have. The app used the information that the person gave it, and that included information on friends that the person had access t…

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Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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The arrogance of Facebook's response to this breach, quibbling over what to call it and now this, is mind-blowing. Their "it wasn't a robbery because we left the front door open" excuse may finally bring about trans-Atlantic regulation of social media.

Probably worth rehashing the infamous messages: > Zuck: People just submitted it. > Zuck: I don't know why. > Zuck: They "trust me" > Zuck: Dumb fucks. A cynic would interpret the current state of the world to suggest that Zuckerberg, and by extension Facebook, considers a large segment of the world population "Dumb fucks" http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims...

Didn't Zuck take the idea for Facebook from someone else and then run with it?
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