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Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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I plan to monitor my kids’ internet usage and heavily filter it as well. Their phones and apps will be restricted until mature enough to make their own decisions.

As a young teen, the filtering drove me mental as it blocked development tools websites. But it was a lot of fun working out how to corrupt the filtering process so it “appeared” to work when my parents looked at it, but actually did nothing.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Then those people can be exposed to all the suicide, pedophiles, and other negative influences as much as they want.

Honestly, I’m expecting someone to argue that kids should be allowed to smoke crack because muh independence in a minute... you notice no one has provided a coherent reason they should have smartphones...

I’m not agreeing with this; but the main reason I can see is that not having one when every other kid you know does will cause some issues in your peer groups. I’d expect to be mocked for it, myself. But then I’m biased: I had a smartphone that I researched, purchase, carrier unlocked and then turned into a “global” firmware from 2005, when I was 15! Having a computer in my pocket when no one else did was awesome, heh.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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There is literally no reason for anyone under the age of 18 to own a smartphone or have unsupervised use of any internet-connected device. Literally none.

If I had only access to supervised internet there is absolutely no way I'd have the job I have today. (or at least, I'd have it 10 years later) I agree with you up to the age of maybe 10-12, beyond that you're restricting a fully capable mind from connecting with the rest of humanity and learning. If the skill to navigate the internet isn't developed at a younger age, it'll be painfully developed as an adult much more slowly, and any mistakes much longer lasting.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Spoken like somebody who is not under the age of 18 or has anyone who is living in their home.

As someone who is under the age of 18, I would respectfully have to agree with the statement in question. The Smartphone -- or more specifically the internet -- has provided us, adolescents, a powerful platform to learn anything we want and develop into technically literate and ethical adults. Unfortunately, this has and will continue to not be the case. The internet has evolved from being a source of knowledge into…

As someone who's also under 18, I relate very strongly with this. I'm watching myself, and everyone around me get caught up in the virtual world. I find myself spending hours on a computer/my phone and feeling sick and upset afterwards. Whenever I'm in a group of kids my age, 90% of the time we'll instinctively go for our phones. This behavior is scary to me.

That's not to say that technology is 100% negative. I'd be the last to deny the benefits of it. But, seeing myself and everyone else in my generation getting sucked into devices that just bring discontent is concerning to me.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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There is literally no reason for anyone under the age of 18 to own a smartphone or have unsupervised use of any internet-connected device. Literally none.

If I had only access to supervised internet there is absolutely no way I'd have the job I have today. (or at least, I'd have it 10 years later) I agree with you up to the age of maybe 10-12, beyond that you're restricting a fully capable mind from connecting with the rest of humanity and learning. If the skill to navigate the internet isn't developed at a younger age, it'll be painfully developed as an adult much mor…

10-12, beyond that you're restricting a fully capable mind

In no jurisdiction in the world is 10 considered a fully developed mind.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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trading away their privacy to parents. Right, they should totally trade it to global corporations instead. Did you think this one through?

Ultimately neither is particularly good, but their parents have much more immediate negative potential in their lives.

If your mother does your laundry you have no secrets from her

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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All the sick shit on the internet was there 20 years ago. It might have been a little more pixellated and lower-resolution, and getting it on a 56kbp modem that gurgled and screamed and tied up the phone line was perhaps a bit tricky to do surreptitiously, but it was there. We turned out fine. If I did ever put some sort of parental blockers on my children's devices, I'd try to find some half-assed thing like the blo…

Have you read the piece? It’s not about sick shit on the internet, but the negative sides of social media. And Social Media wasn’t the same 20 years ago. Furthermore, the sick shit 20 years ago was harder to find and a lot slower to download as well.

And Social Media wasn’t the same 20 years ago.

Consider: musical.ly is aimed at kids. Kids have no money. How does musical.ly plan to make money? There is no possible ethical way.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Are you arguing that my comment alludes to nothing more than platitudes and is thus not relevant?

Sorry for the snarky tone. I don't mean to discount your experience. It's relevant, but on a certain level so were the complaints of previous generations. People like me lamented all sorts of contemporary phenomena. Except for passing fads (which seem to get the brunt of overthought lamentations), those changes didn't destroy mankind. As you get older, this stuff just becomes funny. Young people rediscover the age-ol…

I understand that your reply was well intended and I apologize for sounding offended. I only wanted some clarification because I was confused.

While I can't really speak for previous generations, I would like to quote one of the replies above:

"The difference being that you're not engulfed in all of that for hours/days at a time like you are with today's technology. It doesn't constantly follow you around to the dinner table, to your school, to the toilet. 15 years ago, most people had a family computer and you'd go on it and if there was something you weren't supposed to see, you'd still do it but with the added fear of looking back over your shoulder hoping your parents wouldn't catch you."

To the best of my understanding, previous generations also had several interactions with technology and culture (i.e. radio, pop media, television) but they were not as intrusive as the internet. The internet is everywhere and is used by almost everyone unconditionally. This may have been the intention behind its eventual design progression but it has resulted in exposing very young kids to terrible content. This has serious implications, which I attempted to unsuccessfully convey in my original comment by recounting my own experiences.

I was very recently like one of the adolescents I mentioned: uncaring, naive, addicted to the stimulus of receiving an empty text message accounting for nothing. When I detached myself from these technologies, I began to instantly feel more empowered and tried to get some of my peers to stop as well. However, their reactions ranged from being bewildered to even being upset that I would suggest such a thing. They are essentially zombies being swallowed up by an ever pervasive force that they themselves don't fully comprehend.

With television the actors were some idealized figures that were polished by an entire marketing team, but with Youtube or Twitter we have regular people holding no reservation when doing stupid things for attention. Children are witnessing and practicing the words of these people who themselves have no clue what they're doing.

Tangentially, I'd like to point out that social media in particular has degraded our abilities to face confrontation and provide rational refutations. Just yesterday I was discussing some matters with a few peers and the moment a controversial topic sprout up half of them went on glancing at their phones apathetically and the other half just blurted out their opinions without any defense. Questioning their beliefs, I realized that they were mostly superficial and held only because some guy on Facebook or Snapchat had posted something about it.

Here's an example conversation:

What do you guys think about insert name

That's a horrible person!

Absolutely despicable!

Why?

I don't know, everyone on the internet says they are, so they must be

I am aware that this type of mentality is intertwined with our evolutionary inclination to 'fit in' with the crowd, but the internet is abusing this behavior.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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As someone who is under the age of 18, I would respectfully have to agree with the statement in question. The Smartphone -- or more specifically the internet -- has provided us, adolescents, a powerful platform to learn anything we want and develop into technically literate and ethical adults. Unfortunately, this has and will continue to not be the case. The internet has evolved from being a source of knowledge into…

As someone who recently grew out of his teens, I would respectfully have to disagree with your comment. I'm a product of the internet too. The internet helped me keep friends that would otherwise not stay in touch, helped me make new friends, helped me learn and grow and become my own person. I've had jobs and internships, and I owe the vast majority of the knowledge required in those to... the internet. If you choos…

There are various 'tools' which parents do not allow children to use unsupervised simply because they are cautious of the negative effects. For example, would you allow a child to operate vehicles, kitchen utilities, or weapons alone?

I agree with your point of educating kids to play responsibly, but this does not mean allowing them to do whatever they want in a dangerous territory.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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post #43

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If I had only access to supervised internet there is absolutely no way I'd have the job I have today. (or at least, I'd have it 10 years later) I agree with you up to the age of maybe 10-12, beyond that you're restricting a fully capable mind from connecting with the rest of humanity and learning. If the skill to navigate the internet isn't developed at a younger age, it'll be painfully developed as an adult much mor…

10-12, beyond that you're restricting a fully capable mind In no jurisdiction in the world is 10 considered a fully developed mind.

I didn't say fully developed, I said fully capable which in context is to mean that they are capable of going out on the open net without anything they see permanently warping their worldview inaccurately. Its reasonable to shield children from negativity in the world they have no capability of understanding and will end up with warped ideas. At beginning adolescent age that capability is reached, and if they are further shielded from the world they'll form an inaccurate and unhelpful worldview most likely. At best their development will be delayed.
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