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Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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> On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence on the diminishing marginal utility of wealth. For the average person, but who are you to decide? He clearly already spends his money productively by largely self-funding ambitious projects, and I suspect that he would be pursuing even more if he had infinite resources.

I'm a shareholder and I just voted against for basically this reason. I don't think the difference between owning 20 billion in equity and owning 25 billion in equity (or whatever) will mater to musk at all. he's fine. and he's going to try to finish what he started either way.

Permit me to rewrite history a bit for the sake of example. If you were a Paypal shareholder and Musk was CEO would you have supported this compensation package? Would you have supported it even if you didn't know SpaceX or Tesla were his ambitions?

Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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> On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence on the diminishing marginal utility of wealth. For the average person, but who are you to decide? He clearly already spends his money productively by largely self-funding ambitious projects, and I suspect that he would be pursuing even more if he had infinite resources.

I'm a shareholder and I just voted against for basically this reason. I don't think the difference between owning 20 billion in equity and owning 25 billion in equity (or whatever) will mater to musk at all. he's fine. and he's going to try to finish what he started either way.

Also a shareholder. Voted for. If Elon wants to die on Mars and needs personal wealth to get him there, as long as he delivers on his Tesla milestones, I've got no problem with it.

Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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I'm a shareholder and I just voted against for basically this reason. I don't think the difference between owning 20 billion in equity and owning 25 billion in equity (or whatever) will mater to musk at all. he's fine. and he's going to try to finish what he started either way.

But the cost to his ego for not meeting a milestone which receives even more publicity because of the big price tag is a big motivator (or at least one could argue) So even if the utility of the funds isn't consequential, a package like this might be one if the few ways to further incentivize a CEO like Musk.

If he’s not incentivized by all of the high ideals he claims, plus $20 billion, then he’s broken.

Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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The article doesn't go into much details of the stock award. Musk is proposing not taking a salary for the next 10 years and receiving a 1% stock award each time he meets some insanely aggressive milestones: https://cdn.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Tesla-C... http://ir.tesla.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=1054948 I'm not a TSLA shareholder, but tying CEO performance to company performance rather than an…

Is tying CEO performance to company performance really a good idea? Just 3 days ago we had a story about how shareholding affects the company and CEO:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16502607

So, it begs the question - What do shareholders do if something like this happens?

Additionally,

> But the success has also underscored the company’s dependence on its CEO -- a risk factor that’s routinely spelled out in regulatory filings.

> “Although Mr. Musk spends significant time with Tesla and is highly active in our management, he does not devote his full time and attention to Tesla,” the firm’s annual report said, noting that he’s also CEO of Space Exploration Technologies Corp.

So, it seems Tesla is dependent on Musk but it routinely highlights how he is not fulling paying attention to Tesla. The question becomes - why should they pay a part time CEO a full time salary? And what happens if Musk doesn't hit the target and they need to hire his replacement?

> The award could affect what Tesla has to pay to hire a potential successor, Glass Lewis said

It might change how other CEOs might view compensation at Tesla. They might push for even more aggressive remuneration.

So, its better not to open a door which cannot be closed later.

Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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The article doesn't go into much details of the stock award. Musk is proposing not taking a salary for the next 10 years and receiving a 1% stock award each time he meets some insanely aggressive milestones: https://cdn.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Tesla-C... http://ir.tesla.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=1054948 I'm not a TSLA shareholder, but tying CEO performance to company performance rather than an…

Musk already owns tons of Tesla story and should be motivated by that. There's absolutely no evidence that additional equity would motivate him more. On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence on the diminishing marginal utility of wealth. Like much CEO pay, Musk's pay package is more about status than about motivating him. Or is someone really going to try to make the case that he's kinda half-assing it right now?

I don't think it makes sense to apply this kind of 'evidence' to a specific individual.

Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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GM makes more off the subsidies than Tesla. Does that bother you too?

Yes!

Luckily they have helped stoke the electrification of transportation despite your protest. My condolences.

Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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The article doesn't go into much details of the stock award. Musk is proposing not taking a salary for the next 10 years and receiving a 1% stock award each time he meets some insanely aggressive milestones: https://cdn.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Tesla-C... http://ir.tesla.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=1054948 I'm not a TSLA shareholder, but tying CEO performance to company performance rather than an…

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Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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These are the same people projecting that Apple should have sold 80M iPhone X's...and then apple "fell short" of estimates when they sold 77M [1]. Why do people listen to these proxy advisory services like Glass Lewis [2]? Honestly, none of them have anything near a good track record or are worth anything [3]. They are effectively like tabloids for the financial markets. Honestly, I'd love to hear from someone on wal…

They explain their reasoning and do the boring legwork, even if you don’t agree with their conclusion you can still find value in their analysis.

Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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The subsidies are directly funding R&D of battery/EV/aerospace technology. But this way, the rich people buying the cars are also funding it, as well as the investors buying equity. The tax incentives are working precisely as they were designed, and for every dollar in subsidy there’s probably $9 more in outside investment coming onboard.

The subsidies are directly funding Musk's wallet as much or more than they are funding battery research.

I get that you have strong feelings. But this is just uninformed. If you took a sec to understand Musk's comp structure you'd see that its paper wealth, as in he doesn't take cash out of the company. Instead he puts cash in the company. Also he only sold stock to pay taxes. I'd guess its likely he paid more in taxes than you, if you're an average earner.

Re: Tesla's $2.6B Musk Award Too Costly, Glass Lewis Says

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The subsidies are directly funding Musk's wallet as much or more than they are funding battery research.

I get that you have strong feelings. But this is just uninformed. If you took a sec to understand Musk's comp structure you'd see that its paper wealth, as in he doesn't take cash out of the company. Instead he puts cash in the company. Also he only sold stock to pay taxes. I'd guess its likely he paid more in taxes than you, if you're an average earner.

~$600 million in taxes actually.[1] But strangely nobody seems to subtract that amount from the value of the electric vehicle credits...

Anyone who's been there and done this knows that what the IRS giveth with one hand, the IRS taketh away with the other. The house never loses, and there is no house like the United States Government.

[1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-21/tesla-s-m...

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