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Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by ehnto »

BigJono wrote: post #16
mcny wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that homeowners in the bay area have some next level NIMBY ism that even Google can't overcome. Those fiber huts have to go somewhere...

Maybe this is an overreaction to being stuck with Australian internet for the past decade, but if anyone in my neighbourhood was to resist the installation of fibre it'd be fucking on for young and old.

I have my pitchfork ready, Jono.

Actually we finally got NBN on my street and I am syncing at 75mbit (paying for 100) and frankly I am over the moon. The fastest I have had previous, after living all over AU, was 14mbit down, and I was the envy of my friends for that roaring waterfall of data.

Everyone else I know is on around 8mbit even in 2018.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by realusername »

sureaboutthis wrote: post #31
cdancette wrote: post #17

This is why I'm happy to live in a country like France where the government takes part in deploying those infrastructures (by investing money in the deployment). They planned to equip 50% of the territory by 2017 (which was achieved), and 100% by 2022. Same goes for public service, profit-focused corporations can't provide the same quality of service.

It would help if the USA was as small as France.

A lot of states are the same size or smaller than France and none of them has achieved to get the same internet price/quality so far. Not to mention the the US has a more concentrated population than most of Europe so it's even easier.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by leereeves »

adamcharnock wrote: post #36

I wonder, was Google Fibre ever intended to succeed in the traditional sense? Instead, perhaps it was an attempt by Google to change the industry by 1) scaring the incumbents into improving, and 2) expanding consumers' Overton windows[1] regarding what they could/should expect. Google presumably wants to ensure its services can be delivered to consumers, so this would seem towards that end. As another commenter notes…

> I don't think it is a given that Musk ever intended for Tesla's success to be an economic one.

What did Musk tell investors?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by _nalply »

sureaboutthis wrote: post #31
cdancette wrote: post #17

This is why I'm happy to live in a country like France where the government takes part in deploying those infrastructures (by investing money in the deployment). They planned to equip 50% of the territory by 2017 (which was achieved), and 100% by 2022. Same goes for public service, profit-focused corporations can't provide the same quality of service.

It would help if the USA was as small as France.

To begin start in a metropolitan region and if it is profitable expand. The problem is something different: The incumbent providers are successful in preventing competition.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by adrianN »

taneq wrote: post #12
cm2187 wrote: post #8

But is wireless seriously an alternative to fiber? I mean with 4k streaming spreading, what will happen on a super bowl night? There is only one shared bandwidth.

Time to get some kind of multicast system going!

We could call it TV.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by dozzie »

jaggederest wrote: post #14

I'm pretty happy with the results. The local company here in Portland really stepped up the rollout of their gigabit service and while it's not quite a full gigabit by my tests, it's more than fast enough (~400mbps).

> [...] it's more than fast enough (~400mbps).

Even my GPRS connection is faster than 400 millibits per second.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by adriaanm »

s3nnyy wrote: post #34
_nalply wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Switzerland there are regions with FFTH. Click on this map to see where FFTH is available: https://map.geo.admin.ch/?layers=ch.bakom.anschlussart-glasf... Thanks to this map it was easy to select the right place to move to, and we are currently in the process of moving... to an home equipped with FFTH!

I live in Zurich, I have Fiber7 ( https://init7.net ) at home and couldn't be any happier. They don't cost more than the DSL packs of the big firms, I get 500 mb up and down on the router with wifi and they have superb support!

+1 I use them in Lausanne. 777 CHF/year is a great deal!

Interesting model: the price is the same for everyone, while bandwidth is the maximum they can offer in your location. Excellent support. I bought a TP-LINK MC220L + patch cables from them, and hooked up an edgerouter lite for PPPoE & VLAN tagging. Already had a wifi router (google wifi), which sadly can't do VLAN tagging. Haven't noticed any issues with the double NATing.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by twelve40 »

ehnto wrote: post #32
twelve40 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny though. No offense and I love France, and I love Europe (really do!), but FB's and GOOG's and BABA's of the world seem to be ... elsewhere? inverse correlation?

There is probably a place in the world for both, but I would rather smaller, competitive companies, over encumbent monopolies and aggressive investment strategies (build a moat with money and watch everything else fail).

Puzzled why it came across as big vs small cos. Who's been the smaller competitive company out of Europe to take on incumbents? Skype? Dailymotion? Spotify? Blablacar? Seznam.cz? That's... it? Seems a bit underwhelming for 1/2 billion highly educated rich people with fast internet, no?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by alex_hitchins »

leereeves wrote: post #43
adamcharnock wrote: post #36

I wonder, was Google Fibre ever intended to succeed in the traditional sense? Instead, perhaps it was an attempt by Google to change the industry by 1) scaring the incumbents into improving, and 2) expanding consumers' Overton windows[1] regarding what they could/should expect. Google presumably wants to ensure its services can be delivered to consumers, so this would seem towards that end. As another commenter notes…

> I don't think it is a given that Musk ever intended for Tesla's success to be an economic one. What did Musk tell investors?

Good point, but would investors now stand to benefit over all from expediting the development of electric vehicles, solar and space transportation?
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