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Mine was the same, it was already set to off.

Can't find it in my Facebook settings - can you give us a pointer where to find these settings in Facebooks cesspool of anti-patterns they like to promote as the "settings" page...

There's a "Face Recognition" tab that's new to the settings page since the last time I went through disabling things. For me, it shows up on the left side right under "Language".

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I am still waiting for this feature in the UK, but European courts keep blocking it. It pisses me off: I should be able to opt-in if I want to.

>I should be able to opt-in if I want to.

As the top comment suggests, if Facebook runs face recognition on pictures of you and those pictures contain other people, there is no guarantee that they have opted into the program as well. You wouldn't just be making a choice for yourself.

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So, here's the weird catch-22. Or perhaps, the illusion of choice. There are two people who are in a photo. One wishes Facebook to use face recognition, the other does not. Facebook will run face recognition on the photo regardless, but how will they know who wants to be recognized, and who doesn't? Simply, they have a model of your face already trained. And they recognize you in photos--you have no say whether or no…

I don't think they care about that unfortunately; This has been a long running concern of mine. You're involved with it even if you choose not to be.

Doesn't feel right.

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On a related note, FB seems to use the microphone, with permissions disabled, when the app isn’t even open, to listen in on our conversations and later advertise things it hears us talking about. I don’t have 100% proof of this but we’ve mentioned things we never googled or even put in our phones or computers and they are pretty specific (purple dress, tactile diaper bags, beer) and they come up the next day or two i…

Reply All made an episode on this: https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/109-facebook-spying

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On a related note, FB seems to use the microphone, with permissions disabled, when the app isn’t even open, to listen in on our conversations and later advertise things it hears us talking about. I don’t have 100% proof of this but we’ve mentioned things we never googled or even put in our phones or computers and they are pretty specific (purple dress, tactile diaper bags, beer) and they come up the next day or two i…

This has been discussed a lot, and all signs point to it being debunked.

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On a related note, FB seems to use the microphone, with permissions disabled, when the app isn’t even open, to listen in on our conversations and later advertise things it hears us talking about. I don’t have 100% proof of this but we’ve mentioned things we never googled or even put in our phones or computers and they are pretty specific (purple dress, tactile diaper bags, beer) and they come up the next day or two i…

As an app developer, I don't want to say this is impossible, loading and abusing private libraries has been done in the past. It just seems so unlikely. And it seems like if proved (decrypting network traffic from mobile device?) would destroy Facebook's image w/ customers.

I think more than likely the talking about a certain subject makes the ads stand out more than they would have. It's like, researching to buy a new car, all of a sudden you see that car everywhere on the road. It was there before but you just didn't notice it.

That's my take on it. Again, it's not be impossible. I just think it would be highly likely for facebook of all companies to directly snoop. (Maybe by proxy of other apps?)

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On a related note, FB seems to use the microphone, with permissions disabled, when the app isn’t even open, to listen in on our conversations and later advertise things it hears us talking about. I don’t have 100% proof of this but we’ve mentioned things we never googled or even put in our phones or computers and they are pretty specific (purple dress, tactile diaper bags, beer) and they come up the next day or two i…

I've notice odd things like this too. I was visiting my grandma and a commercial came on for the Hover Cover, some silly thing with magnets. We spent maybe 5 minutes making fun of this product out loud, and when I got home that evening Facebook had a Hover Cover ad to show me.

Very odd coincidence.

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More than a decade ago Mark Zuckerberg said that anyone who gave him a photo of themselves was a "dumb fuck". His entire plan this whole time has been to do exactly this kind of thing (edit: because he thinks it is profit-maximizing), and he thinks you're a dumb fuck (just like me) for uploading your photo to let him use in the maximum-scary-surveillance way. We should all just get off Facebook. The problem is that y…

It's not that we naively trust him, we just believe the creepy data gathering is the price to pay for that warm feeling of being connected with pseudo-friends and kinda-acquaintances.

It's not just creepy data gathering. It's specific, targeted emotional manipulation. Facebook runs "experiments" on its users to intentionally make them feel sad or depressed. They publish these works, proud of their accomplishments, and tell us that we agreed to be emotionally manipulated into a dark depression because we agreed to the Terms of Service when we signed up. Facebook believes you gave them your informed consent to fuck with your emotions because they believe you read their TOS and they believe it is morally okay to do stuff like this.

No, it's not worth those warm fuzzy feelings you get, because half the time it won't be warm and fuzzy but actually, it will be a depression that Facebook intentionally put you into, just to see if it could.

Facebook is not worth it. Email lets you stay in touch just fine.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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So, here's the weird catch-22. Or perhaps, the illusion of choice. There are two people who are in a photo. One wishes Facebook to use face recognition, the other does not. Facebook will run face recognition on the photo regardless, but how will they know who wants to be recognized, and who doesn't? Simply, they have a model of your face already trained. And they recognize you in photos--you have no say whether or no…

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