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An employer asked me to do a HackerRank test. Here's my alternative proposal.

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Re: An employer asked me to do a HackerRank test. Here's my alternative proposal.

#41
> unnatural conditions including (1) time limits, (2) forbidding research on Wikipedia or StackOverflow, (3) forbidding collaboration, and (4) forbidding the use of libraries

The above indeed does not make sense, unless you're hiring a solve-puzzles-as-sports person.

I don't think it's enforced by HackerRank, though. It must be the employer's requirement. If so, their hiring process does have problems.

Re: An employer asked me to do a HackerRank test. Here's my alternative proposal.

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post #8

You want a personalized interview, styled exactly for you ? I would be a 'no' if i were interviewing me. You obviously can program but this makes you appear to be someone who would be difficult to work with.

I'm not sharing the view on the difficult the work with part.

For me, this just means, that he is not accepting a solution to the problem, explaining why he thinks it is not a good solution and offering another one, which would work for him. Also, he is not dismissing the hackerrank test, but asking to evaluate his skills on a different way too.

As far as I see, this is probably the best way to argue with somebody, that their chosen solution to the problem is not the ideal based on your knowledge and experience.

Re: An employer asked me to do a HackerRank test. Here's my alternative proposal.

#43
post #8

You want a personalized interview, styled exactly for you ? I would be a 'no' if i were interviewing me. You obviously can program but this makes you appear to be someone who would be difficult to work with.

Depending on who you are, having a personalized interview may make perfect sense. I'd say hiring a senior developer or a team lead should always take it.

Re: An employer asked me to do a HackerRank test. Here's my alternative proposal.

#44
I agree with you on the points that HackerRank actually is not a very good indicator of how good programmer one is.

However unless they really like your profile they will immediately next you after that kind of response because companies also don't have time for this nonsense. They just want a standardised tests for all candidates so they can rank them and then hire the best.

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#45
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post #19

Boom. Hired. If any of the candidates I've interviewed and hired had this sort of independent and outside-the-box thinking, I'd have doubled their salaries when I hired them.

Have you actually made an offer to that person? Do you have the power to double salaries of people in your org?

The implication seems to be that gp has never interviewed and hired people who "had this sort of independent and outside-the-box thinking".

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#46
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post #9

My regular policy is to ghost any employer who throws a HackerRank test at me. This is usually a strong indicator that the work environment is incompatible with my values.

Never ghost anyone. It's so rude.

US companies ghost candidates all the time. They actually do it on purpose, partly out of a fear that explicit rejections (especially with reasons given) may elicit lawsuits.

Our applicant tracking systems won't be upset if you ghost them/us. Your application will simply expire after a while.

Re: An employer asked me to do a HackerRank test. Here's my alternative proposal.

#47
As a hiring manager, I personally don't use HackerRank (or anything similar), but I'm thinking about it. My issue is that many of the people who I come across (most of whom claim to have backgrounds in CS) don't have even basic coding skills. For example, "write a function to reverse a string in a language of your choice" baffles them or takes 20 minutes to write, even though it was meant to be a quick warm-up question. If I know someone is strong coming in (for example, someone I trust recommended them), I will tailor the questions more to them, but otherwise, giving some basic coding problems weeds out a lot of people and saves everyone some time.

Even a short phone screen where I just ask someone to code a simple question takes 20-30 minutes of my time (plus however much time I need to get back in the zone), so HackerRank is appealing if only to weed out the very worst candidates. I'm not familiar with HackerRank specifically, but I imagine you have some choice as to how to set it up. If I could set it up to give candidates plenty of time and ask relatively straightforward questions to weed out people who don't have the basics down, it would be a huge time saver for me.

Re: An employer asked me to do a HackerRank test. Here's my alternative proposal.

#48
post #8

You want a personalized interview, styled exactly for you ? I would be a 'no' if i were interviewing me. You obviously can program but this makes you appear to be someone who would be difficult to work with.

Yea, silly people are living in the misconception that companies are any way interested in their personality. While it's really just about to obey, and follow command. People have to understand that they have to fit the soulless masses and have to be tested accordingly...

I was only responding specifically to a candidate responding with this email if I had asked them to do a hackerrank.

While I can understand your leap to soulless masses - that was not my intention.

Re: An employer asked me to do a HackerRank test. Here's my alternative proposal.

#49
post #19

Boom. Hired. If any of the candidates I've interviewed and hired had this sort of independent and outside-the-box thinking, I'd have doubled their salaries when I hired them.

But, did you use a recruiter for hiring?

Seems to me like an org that uses a recruiter isn't looking for "outside the box" employees. Obviously they aren't sourcing candidates with outside the box processes.

Re: An employer asked me to do a HackerRank test. Here's my alternative proposal.

#50

Honestly, HackerRank is a pretty standard and easy test. I really think it's a reasonable test, at least more reasonable than some. I've been given much harder take home tests: https://austingwalters.com/you-are-given-a-deck-containing-n... However, HackerRank is just a screen on: 1. Are you going to be difficult 2. Do you have basic coding skills Typically, I'd interview at least 10 people before I'd give an offer.…

HackerRank isn't a test, it's a platform for testing; individual employer tests on that platform can be more or less reasonable.
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