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Re: Ian Knot

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

weaksauce wrote: post #3

The secure version of this is much better and the one I use all the time. Doesn't get stuck and is quick to tie and untie. https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/secureknot.htm

Which is basically an upside down surgeon's knot. Just like a normal shoe-lace knot is a reef-knot using bights instead of ends.

I don't think he gives the correct knot for the surgeon's knot.

First IMO you should cross the two ends, push under the upper end, and then repeat. Then form bights and do the same action again (I use this for laces when I need them to stay fastened or when they're long and I don't want dangling aglets). However, it seems I also have been doing the surgeon's knot wrong - I make it balanced (a reef knot with an extra cross in each direction) but in every other image it's finished with a single cross of the two bights.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

ilozinski wrote: post #13

My name is also Ian and I have invented my own shoe-tying method independently from Ian Fleggen's method. I believe it's faster than the "Ian Knot". Once I come up with a name for it, I will publish it online. Taking name suggestions...

The One True Ian Knot! ("Toti-knot" has a good infomercial ring to it I think too).

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Post by anonytrary »

arijun wrote: post #37

Perhaps he is the inventor of this knot in the same way I was the inventor of short division in grade school--I thought I had invented it since no one had taught it to me, but I had just rediscovered an existing technique. Since that was the way my dad learned how to tie his shoes from his father before Ian was born, I think the furthest one could say is Ian is _an_ inventor of this not, not _the_ inventor. However,…

It's the Ramanujan Effect.

Re: Ian Knot

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Post by linkmotif »

This is cool and I definitely appreciate that this page exists. Cool page!

However, totally absurd—Donald Trump levels of absurd—to say you invented a knot. Not only have mathematicians categorized every possible way to make a knot, but before that hundreds if not thousands of generations of sailors and knitters certainly discovered every kind of knot that could be made. Very strange to think you could have “invented” a knot... borderline disturbing to be honest.

Re: Ian Knot

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Post by [deleted] »

jimnotgym wrote: post #28
jacobolus wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who ever said this was a new knot? The reef knot (square knot) with both ends slipped is called a bow knot (shoelace knot). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reef_knot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoelace_knot

> Who ever said this was a new knot? > I tie my shoelaces with my own "Ian Knot", the World's Fastest Shoelace Knot (yes – I am the inventor): It says so in the first line. How can you be the inventor of an existing knot?

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Post by ak39 »

anonytrary wrote: post #43
arijun wrote: post #37

Perhaps he is the inventor of this knot in the same way I was the inventor of short division in grade school--I thought I had invented it since no one had taught it to me, but I had just rediscovered an existing technique. Since that was the way my dad learned how to tie his shoes from his father before Ian was born, I think the furthest one could say is Ian is _an_ inventor of this not, not _the_ inventor. However,…

It's the Ramanujan Effect.

I tried googling “Ramanujan Effect” but nothing turned up. Could you explain what you meant by that?

Re: Ian Knot

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Post by seppoastian »

ak39 wrote: post #46
anonytrary wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the Ramanujan Effect.

I tried googling “Ramanujan Effect” but nothing turned up. Could you explain what you meant by that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

"Though he had almost no formal training in pure mathematics, he made substantial contributions to mathematical analysis, number theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions to mathematical problems considered to be unsolvable. Ramanujan initially developed his own mathematical research in isolation; it was quickly recognized by Indian mathematicians."

Re: Ian Knot

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Post by v_lisivka »

weaksauce wrote: post #3

The secure version of this is much better and the one I use all the time. Doesn't get stuck and is quick to tie and untie. https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/secureknot.htm

Seconded, but I know it as "surgeon knot". Someone show it to us on a seminar as proper method to tie dance shoes, because other methods are not working at all.

Re: Ian Knot

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Post by Dangeranger »

This is a Reef knot tied using two bights. Nice little trick and a very clear explanation.

We would use a knot similar to this when furling the foresail on schooners, as it easily untied under sail.

If the author wanted a slight improvement in the explanation, mine would make the finger diagrams use a transparency for the thumb and index finger so that the reader could interpret the location of the laces behind the fingers.

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