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Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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This level of surveillance is a shame given that by luck of never being invaded by the Nazis there's no ID cards in the UK. Somehow also people managed to stop attempts to get ID cards introduced.

It might even be because of this. That is, it's easy for other European governments to track people as they have to carry ID at all times. Because the UK government are worried about the lack of this, they go down the CCTV route.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. The "average Joe" has the "I got nothing to hide" and that "go get them paedophiles", which are very true statements. We are talking about a nation that has 4,200,000 [1] cameras surveilling them and nobody bats an eye about this. For some reason, Britons have decided (or was forced to them and they didn't push back) that privacy is not necessary, so, let them hav…

> (or was forced to them and they didn't push back ) How do you suggest that we should have pushed back? By voting the bastards out? The UK is actually quite good at that, but policy outlives politicians thanks to the civil service.

New government can easily reverse or change the policies of previous governments, the civil service jut enacts what the government of the day tells them to do.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. The "average Joe" has the "I got nothing to hide" and that "go get them paedophiles", which are very true statements. We are talking about a nation that has 4,200,000 [1] cameras surveilling them and nobody bats an eye about this. For some reason, Britons have decided (or was forced to them and they didn't push back) that privacy is not necessary, so, let them hav…

Even if all people in the world were "$arbitrary_number comfortable with", say, wars of aggression, that still wouldn't sanction it. At the very least, let them speak for themselves.

> Britons have decided (or was forced to them and they didn't push back)

"This victim probably welcomed the death following her rape; notice all her skull tattoos in combination with a route through an unlit street. Either that, or she could have been deceived and/or forced, so it's fine either way."

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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MAC address randomisation has been proven to be essentially useless: https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.02874v1

Having read just the abstract is seems that current implementations of Mac address randomisation is essentially useless rather the Mac address randomisation itself. Hopefully in the future the implementation will improve. Until then WiFi is off.

Youre still being tracked by your phone service provider though.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. The "average Joe" has the "I got nothing to hide" and that "go get them paedophiles", which are very true statements. We are talking about a nation that has 4,200,000 [1] cameras surveilling them and nobody bats an eye about this. For some reason, Britons have decided (or was forced to them and they didn't push back) that privacy is not necessary, so, let them hav…

Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. Here's a true story, a few years ago I was supervising a diver training session at a swimming pool in London, it was closed to members of the public at the time. My locker was broken into, my phone, tablet, credit cards, car keys and bizarrely a load of Mexican money I happened to have in my wallet was stolen, as were a couple of other lockers. Thank God I hadn't…

That's not proof it doesn't work. If you ran the GCHQ and you had a way to track everyone, would you let it be used to solve petty crime ? Much safer to use it sparingly.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. Here's a true story, a few years ago I was supervising a diver training session at a swimming pool in London, it was closed to members of the public at the time. My locker was broken into, my phone, tablet, credit cards, car keys and bizarrely a load of Mexican money I happened to have in my wallet was stolen, as were a couple of other lockers. Thank God I hadn't…

If it doesn't work then it should be taken down. It's even worse, it means the police know it doesn't track criminals and so just want to track regular people. It tests the water of how much the population is willing to be under surveillance. Like boiling a frog you don't notice how much surveillance there is until it's too late.

>It's even worse, it means the police know it doesn't track criminals and so just want to track regular people.

The police knowing is really beside the point, local government (councils) own and operate the public space CCTV, the police will and do make use of it. The problem is quality and with quality is identification. If no one knows the person on CCTV there's not much to be done.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. Here's a true story, a few years ago I was supervising a diver training session at a swimming pool in London, it was closed to members of the public at the time. My locker was broken into, my phone, tablet, credit cards, car keys and bizarrely a load of Mexican money I happened to have in my wallet was stolen, as were a couple of other lockers. Thank God I hadn't…

If it doesn't work then it should be taken down. It's even worse, it means the police know it doesn't track criminals and so just want to track regular people. It tests the water of how much the population is willing to be under surveillance. Like boiling a frog you don't notice how much surveillance there is until it's too late.

Like boiling a frog

In 2002 Dr. Victor H. Hutchison, Professor Emeritus of Zoology at the University of Oklahoma, with a research interest in thermal relations of amphibians, said that "The legend is entirely incorrect!" He described how a critical thermal maximum for many frog species has been determined by contemporary research experiments: as the water is heated by about 2 °F, or 1.1 °C, per minute, the frog becomes increasingly active as it tries to escape, and eventually jumps out if the container allows it"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Why is the guy with an iPhone X a more desirable customer than a guy with an iPhone 4S?

People who spend a grand on a phone tend to buy other things.

...but the product is free WiFi.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. Here's a true story, a few years ago I was supervising a diver training session at a swimming pool in London, it was closed to members of the public at the time. My locker was broken into, my phone, tablet, credit cards, car keys and bizarrely a load of Mexican money I happened to have in my wallet was stolen, as were a couple of other lockers. Thank God I hadn't…

The answer is face recognition.

I saw the CCTV footage - impossible.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. Here's a true story, a few years ago I was supervising a diver training session at a swimming pool in London, it was closed to members of the public at the time. My locker was broken into, my phone, tablet, credit cards, car keys and bizarrely a load of Mexican money I happened to have in my wallet was stolen, as were a couple of other lockers. Thank God I hadn't…

The answer is face recognition.

Current quality for the majority of CCTV is probably not good enough for facial. May be gait recognition is more feasible.
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