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Re: ISP Spying

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Post by jstanley »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #21
jstanley wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to move your VPN to an arbitrary VPS anywhere in the world, but there's only a handful of residential ISPs available in any given area, and they are almost univerally scummy.

> and they are almost univerally scummy Source? I do not think most of the ISPs in my area are particularly scummy. They provide reliable plain internet service with no data caps (and also TV/phone service if you so desire) for a reasonable monthly fee, and in my experience, most of them hire enough customer service workers on their support phone. All of them also resisted internet filtering until the legal system fo…

Good for you.

In my area none of them provide reliable internet service, most of them enforce some censorship and have poor customer service, and all of them perform the legally-mandated surveillance.

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Post by gambiting »

jstanley wrote: post #8

In the UK, they're legally required to spy on you (but not through your router). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016

That is why I've been running all my devices exclusively through a VPN while I'm in the UK. And yes, I'd much rather trust a commercial company with my data than the British government and the ISPs.

Re: ISP Spying

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Post by [deleted] »

zydeco wrote: post #40
Fnoord wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The URLs [1] [2] describe the content. I thought [1] was interesting but not answering your question. [2] Answers your question, and shows black and white and thermal pictures. [1] https://www.medgadget.com/2014/06/mits-wifi-system-detects-p... (June 2014) [2] https://hackaday.io/project/5452-wifi-thermal-camera (2015) [EDIT] I stand corrected, [2] is unrelated. My bad! Here's some good sources as alternative. "MIT t…

[2] is a thermal camera with WiFi connectivity, it's completely unrelated.

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Post by Fnoord »

zydeco wrote: post #40
Fnoord wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The URLs [1] [2] describe the content. I thought [1] was interesting but not answering your question. [2] Answers your question, and shows black and white and thermal pictures. [1] https://www.medgadget.com/2014/06/mits-wifi-system-detects-p... (June 2014) [2] https://hackaday.io/project/5452-wifi-thermal-camera (2015) [EDIT] I stand corrected, [2] is unrelated. My bad! Here's some good sources as alternative. "MIT t…

[2] is a thermal camera with WiFi connectivity, it's completely unrelated.

Thank you for the correction, I updated the post with new information whilst keeping the discussion intact w/your post.

Re: ISP Spying

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Post by jstanley »

gambiting wrote: post #42
jstanley wrote: post #8

In the UK, they're legally required to spy on you (but not through your router). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016

That is why I've been running all my devices exclusively through a VPN while I'm in the UK. And yes, I'd much rather trust a commercial company with my data than the British government and the ISPs.

I do the same.

Re: ISP Spying

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Post by book_mentioned »

slhck wrote: post #26

I recently learned about this when I reported Internet speed issues to my home ISP (upload was basically impossible, while download was at 100 MBit/s). They said they'd look into it, but they couldn't process my claim unless they could prove something was connected via Ethernet to their router. (They apparently never trust customer WiFi speed test results, probably because WiFi on their crappy routers can be notoriou…

One time the next-tier tech shut off my WiFi while I was troubleshooting with the entry-level phone support; I hadn't been warned this was an option or would happen so it really rubbed me the wrong way.

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Post by 45h34jh53k4j »

icc97 wrote: post #20

Who didn't think they were being spied on? This is why you used https to hide the full URL, VPN to push the problem to a 3rd party who might care a bit more about privacy and then Tor on top of it all. Here's the good old EFF explanation [0] [0]: https://www.eff.org/pages/tor-and-https

No, dont run Tor over VPN. Its VPN over Tor.

Tor provides anonymity, VPN provides privacy. You want anonymity between you and the VPN, and privacy between you and internet hosts.

From the OpSec for xyz series: https://grugq.github.io/presentations/Keynote_The_Grugq_-_OP... • TOR connection to a VPN => OK • VPN connection to TOR => GOTO JAIL

Re: ISP Spying

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Post by afpx »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #37
Cieplak wrote: post #33

Another cool thing about WiFi routers is that you can use them as radars to monitor people in a home. The 2.4ghz frequency is perfect for reflecting off water bodies while having great penetration through walls.

I would like more details on this. Especially links to any software that lets you "see" in the 2.4ghz spectrum.

I saw this guy the other day - very interesting tech, but doesn’t address your specific question.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rDC34awd0f8

There are a lot of people doing research in this space:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C47&q=hum...

Re: ISP Spying

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Post by voxadam »

Cieplak wrote: post #33

Another cool thing about WiFi routers is that you can use them as radars to monitor people in a home. The 2.4ghz frequency is perfect for reflecting off water bodies while having great penetration through walls.

I recently listened to a podcast with the founders of a startup by the name of Aerial (https://aerial.ai) that that is doing real-time location mapping and activity detection using wifi and deep learning.

NOTE: I'm in no way related to this company or the podcast (aside from being an occasional listener).

Episode page: https://twimlai.com/talk/107

Direct episode link: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/393602724-twiml-twiml-ta...

Episode description:

In this episode I’m joined by Michel Allegue and Negar Ghourchian of Aerial.ai. Aerial is doing some really interesting things in the home automation space, by using wifi signal statistics to identify and understand what’s happening in our homes and office environments.

Michel, the CTO, describes some of the capabilities of their platform, including its ability to detect not only people and pets within the home, but surprising characteristics like breathing rates and patterns. He also gives us a look into the data collection process, including the types of data needed, how they obtain it, and how it is parsed. Negar, a senior data scientist with Aerial, describes the types of models used, including semi-supervised, unsupervised and signal processing based models, and how they’ve scaled their platform, and provides us with some real-world use cases.

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