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Apple won't approve apps that use emojis that aren't provided by the keyboard

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Re: Apple won't approve apps that use emojis that aren't provided by the keyboard

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> Apple's Emoji designs are copyrighted to Apple. They aren't copying the emoji, though, except in the extremely pedantic sense that some transient copies get created in the process of the device displaying the fonts that it shipped with, but that is obvious fair use even under the most restrictive interpretation of fair use. Copyright has no bearing on this. > If people started using Apple's logos on the App's UI, t…

> Pretty much every company uses some combination of characters as a key marketing strategy (the company or product name). Do they need to create their own font to be able to display their name? No, but they do have to use a font with a license that permits you to do so. You can't just type your company name in Helvetica and go with it, Linotype will want to have a fee. (often a one-time non-recurring payment)

I don't need to have a license to display my company's name in a system font on the user's OS. The user needs to have a license to the font to be able to have it installed in their OS.

If I was shipping the font with my app, then I would need a license to the font.

Re: Apple won't approve apps that use emojis that aren't provided by the keyboard

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> Means if your app displays emoji anywhere without a user having it typed in, it’s illegal and will be rejected. How does that work in a chat app, when the remote user has typed that in on their device?

Presumably a remote user is still a user. My inner rules lawyer does note that this could pose a problem for any bot that emits emoji...

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Re: Apple won't approve apps that use emojis that aren't provided by the keyboard

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> Apple thinks of Unicode as their personal playground Apple has thought of Earth as their personal playground for a long time; arrogance runs deep in their company culture. Steve could get away with it because he was arrogant and right most of the time. Today, ancient & obsolete arrogance is Apple’s biggest flaw, and is causing them to drift more and more out of touch with reality.

Apple seems to avoid interoperability wherever they think they can get away with it. Even in really weird ways, like: to install any software on your Apple phone you had to use Apple's music player . (Is that right? I never owned one, and it sounds daft, but plausible for Apple.) Text and video messaging was low-hanging fruit, thanks to XMPP etc not taking off. With that network effect in place, it's a short leap tow…

> to install any software on your Apple phone you had to use Apple's music player

Uh...no? Not sure where you got that from.

Re: Apple won't approve apps that use emojis that aren't provided by the keyboard

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Pretty much every company uses some combination of characters as a key marketing strategy (the company or product name). Do they need to create their own font to be able to display their name? No, but they do have to use a font with a license that permits you to do so. You can't just type your company name in Helvetica and go with it, Linotype will want to have a fee. (often a one-time non-recurring payment)

I don't need to have a license to display my company's name in a system font on the user's OS. The user needs to have a license to the font to be able to have it installed in their OS. If I was shipping the font with my app, then I would need a license to the font.

I was talking about logos, sorry for the confusion. Of course you do not need a license to use the system font on a particular system.

But I think that arguing that now we can't use San Francisco font on iOS for anything is a good example of a slippery slope fallacy. I think Apple's move on the emoji usage is a mistake and I suppose they will backpedal on this. However I do think that it is not comparable.

Re: Apple won't approve apps that use emojis that aren't provided by the keyboard

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Apple's Emoji designs are copyrighted to Apple. The unicode standard only defines character codes, and what they should "generally" look like (hell, Unicode's own example designs are monochrome line drawings). So this makes complete sense. If people started using Apple's logos on the App's UI, they would respond in exactly the same way. And if they're so invested in using emojis as a "key marketing strategy", why did…

IMO you’ve been unfairly downvoted, as you’re correct that the emoji illustrations indeed are owned by Apple. The fault lies with the Unicode consortium for opening this can of worms. The standard should have been reserved for outline letter forms only. Adding a set of full-color illustrations that expands every year was madness. It’s especially bad for embedded devices that need to render text. It used to be that yo…

I agree with you in the level that inevitably Emoji are expected to be supported as much as any other script, which is a big technical problem.

At the same time, a very basic vector implementation of emoji shouldn't be too large, I suppose? Considering all modern fonts are also vector based, an emoji version will only need extra color information.

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