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Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

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Re: Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

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It's great to see alternative personal development like this proposed. Hopefully governments and doctors will find a safe way to do further research.

Hopefully governments and doctors will find a safe way to do further research.

This is how the government does research.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Thanks, but no thanks. Keep the government out of it, please.

Re: Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

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post #19

I've been keeping an eye out on this study and had hoped there were more results, but this article hasn't said anything about that. Not sure where the no-self part comes in, but it looks like the article title has changed. I've been listening to a lot of Adyashanti's talks and interviews lately. He's not saying anything substantially different from any other non-dual teacher is saying, though I find that he is very c…

The "no-self" concept you speak of is usually referred to as ego death I believe.

Re: Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

#43
post #6

It's great to see alternative personal development like this proposed. Hopefully governments and doctors will find a safe way to do further research.

Hopefully governments and doctors will find a safe way to do further research. This is how the government does research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra Thanks, but no thanks. Keep the government out of it, please.

Yes, pre Church committee secret CIA research is really applicable to the topic at hand.

Re: Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

#44
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I got nothing... They're good people I guess? I'll never know, mushrooms are illegal and I can't get my hands on them.

They grow wild in many locations... look around among the trees at the edges of fields where cattle graze. The first time a good friend of mine had them, that's where that good friend found them. b^) Be sure you've got the right ones, since many mushrooms are poisonous in a bad way.

Do NOT eat random mushrooms you find in the wild. A trip to Amsterdam is cheaper than a hospital bill (and certainly better than dying).

Re: Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully governments and doctors will find a safe way to do further research. This is how the government does research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra Thanks, but no thanks. Keep the government out of it, please.

Yes, pre Church committee secret CIA research is really applicable to the topic at hand.

Oh, you mean you trust the US government because of the Church Committee? Good point; after all, they haven't done anything shady, nefarious, underhanded, or illegal since then. And the other world governments, I'm sure their hands are clean as well...

Re: Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully governments and doctors will find a safe way to do further research. This is how the government does research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra Thanks, but no thanks. Keep the government out of it, please.

Yes, pre Church committee secret CIA research is really applicable to the topic at hand.

How isn't it?

Anyway, I agree with his comment but for a different reason: government "research" isn't historically trustworthy. Any psychedelics research sponsored by the government, directly or indirectly, is going to end up like marijuana research[0] and like research into alternative therapies[1]. Of course, they will continue coming up with opposite findings for drugs that lobbyists can profit from, like SSRI's. The FDA is able to literally pick and choose studies that work for them[2].

[0]: http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170319/governments-marijuana-...

[1]: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31190909/ns/health-alternative_med... (It took 2.5 billion dollars to find out that yoga and meditation "may" help with anxiety etc.)

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_i...

Re: Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

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post #15

>The Tibetan Zen Buddhist monk Chogyam Trongpa It's written Chögyam Trungpa. Trungpa was Vajrayana school Buddhist. "Tibetan Zen Buddhism" does not exist. I'm sure there are individual Tibetans who are Zen Buddhists, but there is no Zen tradition in Tibet. Trungpa was also alcoholic, womanizer, sexually abused his students, cocaine user, ... and was able to get away with it because it was all 'crazy wisdom'. Zen and…

> Zen and Buddhism in general is full of people like Alan Watts and Trungpa. Both were highly intelligent, inspiring writers, and alcoholics who presented themselves as masters.

Pretty sure you're wrong about Watts as I vividly remember reading in his book that he did not consider himself a guru. He also said something along the lines of there exists only one guru for you and that's you. Here's the first quote I could find, in its entirety:

> This is what gurus have used to trick you into seeing. All these trials they put you through are simply to convince you that you can’t do anything about it, but not “convince you” in a theoretical way. I’m not a guru—I don’t give individual spiritual direction to people—so maybe it’s not the best thing that I’m giving away the guru’s tricks, but I might as well. You can struggle and struggle and struggle, and you will do so for as long as you have the feeling inside you that you’re missing something. And everyone will encourage you to think this way, because they also feel they’re missing something, and they think they can get it by such and such a method, so they’re going to try to convince you that their method is the thing to do. - Out of Your Mind

Phew, that was a royal pain and a half to copy/paste from kindle cloud reader. Anyway, everyone knows about Watts's personal history by now, but no one could ever explain how it changed anything he wrote. He certainly didn't take himself very seriously at all, which is in line with his philosophy.

Re: Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

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post #15

>The Tibetan Zen Buddhist monk Chogyam Trongpa It's written Chögyam Trungpa. Trungpa was Vajrayana school Buddhist. "Tibetan Zen Buddhism" does not exist. I'm sure there are individual Tibetans who are Zen Buddhists, but there is no Zen tradition in Tibet. Trungpa was also alcoholic, womanizer, sexually abused his students, cocaine user, ... and was able to get away with it because it was all 'crazy wisdom'. Zen and…

Where are you quoting from? I didn't see anywhere in the article "Tibetan Zen Buddhist monk Chogyam Trongpa" was mentioned.

Re: Researchers giving psilocybin to religious leaders (2017)

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post #15

>The Tibetan Zen Buddhist monk Chogyam Trongpa It's written Chögyam Trungpa. Trungpa was Vajrayana school Buddhist. "Tibetan Zen Buddhism" does not exist. I'm sure there are individual Tibetans who are Zen Buddhists, but there is no Zen tradition in Tibet. Trungpa was also alcoholic, womanizer, sexually abused his students, cocaine user, ... and was able to get away with it because it was all 'crazy wisdom'. Zen and…

You’re kind of describing the whole point of Zen, no?

”don't hesitate get laid that's wisdom sitting around chanting what crap” - Ikkyu

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