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The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

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Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

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Post by tomlock »

>Overall, our results suggest that, even in the gender-blind, transactional, flexible environment of the gig economy, gender-based preferences (especially the value of time not spent at paid work and, for drivers, preferences for driving speed) can open gender earnings gaps.

Not sure this is the right conclusion to draw. If Uber driving is less safe for female drivers, it's hardly a "gender-based preference" that's driving the gap. If women are spending more of their flexible hours doing housework or caring for children than men do, this may not be a "preference". While the paper does a great job identifying factors correlated with lower income, does it really indicate an individual's "preference", or does it indicate that the situation they find themselves in either enables or prevents uber participation?

Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

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Post by KhanMahGretsch »

mlevental wrote: post #8
pixel_fcker wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should interventions be made to reduce the gap?

what exactly are you implying? is it that it'll correct itself naturally (free market forces) or that it doesn't need to be corrected?

The free market already has one solution for this, imperfect as it may be. If an individual is the victim of criminal discrimination, they can seek legal council and determine if the case is prosecutable. I understand that this may not be economically viable for many; perhaps a collective focus on helping struggling individuals would help bolster support.

A one-size-fits-all approach to equalising the playing field is a fool's errand, as it comes with massive costs both seen and unseen. Beyond the constitutionally-enforced right to not be criminally discriminated against, the remaining standards that lead to ever-improving equality-of-opportunity ought to be enforced socially.

Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

#43

Post by tengbretson »

prepend wrote: post #2

This is interesting. What interventions can be made to reduce this pay gap? With the reasons in the paper, should this gap be corrected (eg, force maximum speed, pay higher for slow drivers but only gender specific, etc etc).

>What interventions can be made to reduce this pay gap?

It would actually be pretty simple to eliminate this pay gap. All we would need to do is make it illegal to base the amount you pay someone on things like how much you actually valued their service.

Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

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Post by mlevental »

pixel_fcker wrote: post #9
mlevental wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what exactly are you implying? is it that it'll correct itself naturally (free market forces) or that it doesn't need to be corrected?

I'm implying that it doesn't need to be corrected.

why do you think it doesn't need to be corrected? you don't see how an equitable distribution of resources between the sexes is much more productive for the whole? nm the morality of it.

Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

#45

Post by mlevental »

sebastos wrote: post #25

The entire point of the paper is to show that you can observe a statistical anomaly like wage disparity whenever you compare two different populations, even when you essentially control for job effectiveness and isolate out any influence from malicious discrimination. The Uber case is being used to crystallize an example where there exists a bias in the results, and yet it is clearly not due to prejudice. It is illus…

these two things are in such direct contradiction

>systematic influences can easily cause such an effect

>how this just goes to show that it's really the SYSTEM that's biased

that i have no idea what you're really trying to say.

> Non-malicious

no one cares if it's malicious or benign. ask a black person whether they care about the intentions of those they're being racially profiled by (for example). it doesn't matter. what matters if systemic inequalities exist - and here is proof that they do.

Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

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Post by T2_t2 »

mlevental wrote: post #45
sebastos wrote: post #25

The entire point of the paper is to show that you can observe a statistical anomaly like wage disparity whenever you compare two different populations, even when you essentially control for job effectiveness and isolate out any influence from malicious discrimination. The Uber case is being used to crystallize an example where there exists a bias in the results, and yet it is clearly not due to prejudice. It is illus…

these two things are in such direct contradiction >systematic influences can easily cause such an effect >how this just goes to show that it's really the SYSTEM that's biased that i have no idea what you're really trying to say. > Non-malicious no one cares if it's malicious or benign. ask a black person whether they care about the intentions of those they're being racially profiled by (for example). it doesn't matte…

This is either some next level trolling, or really odd.

> The entire point of the paper is to show that you can observe a statistical anomaly like wage disparity whenever you compare two different populations, even when you essentially control for job effectiveness and isolate out any influence from malicious discrimination.

Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

#47

Post by pixel_fcker »

mlevental wrote: post #44
pixel_fcker wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm implying that it doesn't need to be corrected.

why do you think it doesn't need to be corrected? you don't see how an equitable distribution of resources between the sexes is much more productive for the whole? nm the morality of it.

I believe strongly in an equal distribution of opportunity between the sexes. How would you propose fixing the gap that the paper describes? Simply paying women drivers 7% more? Would that be fair?

Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

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Post by T2_t2 »

danjoc wrote: post #40
Geeek wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really should read the paper. One of the factors influencing their pay is the amount of time spent driving, so no, they are not "driving the same amount of time". Secondly, nowhere does it say they are going above the speed limit only that they drive speedier.

An hour in the car is an hour in the car. It's the same amount of time. I'm not saying that women spend more hours in the car than men. Don't be deliberately obtuse. According to the paper, 50% of the wage gap is due to driving speed alone. The conclusion is that men are speeding more frequently than women. To level the playing field, all speeders could be auto reported to the proper authorities. Or, you know, just p…

That's... not what it says dude.

> The conclusion is that men are speeding more frequently than women.

Prove it! I'm not American, but I am pretty sure that the average speed of 19.532 mph for men and 18.760 for women makes speeding an unlikely explanation without some evidence I just can't see. Can you point me to where breaking laws is the explanation?

Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

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Post by T2_t2 »

mc32 wrote: post #20
fatjokes wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pay higher for slow drivers but only gender specific ... that's wage discrimination and is illegal.

Illegal or not it would certainly be gamed.

"I identify as a non-binary person - what do I get paid?"

Re: The Gender Earnings Gap: Evidence from Over a Million Rideshare Drivers [pdf]

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Post by mc32 »

T2_t2 wrote: post #49
mc32 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Illegal or not it would certainly be gamed.

"I identify as a non-binary person - what do I get paid?"

probably trend toward the one you most closely resemble behaviorally.
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