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In Baltimore, Brazen Officers Took Every Chance to Rob and Cheat

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Re: In Baltimore, Brazen Officers Took Every Chance to Rob and Cheat

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Post by SteveNuts »

youdontknowtho wrote: post #25
bob_theslob646 wrote: post #12

Why is there not more transparency? It makes zero sense. What is going to stop something like this occuring again? Officers going to jail?

Police unions are the only strong unions left in the country. The conservatives will come for them at some point too...until then you have places like Philly that, at least used to, have complaints against police be heard by the union before they are passed on to internal affairs. Bmore takes the cake, though...just wtf all over and back again.

> The conservatives will come for them at some point too...

I really really doubt that. All the conservatives I know love the police and think they can do no wrong.

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Post by nradov »

rexreed wrote: post #7
phren0logy wrote: post #2

So I guess "The Wire" was basically a documentary?

Yes it basically is based on true stories. I live in Baltimore, I should say just lived, because I just moved out. The city is every bit as corrupt, dangerous, and malicious as it's made out to be. Don't want anything further to do with this city. And the folks here were delirious thinking that Amazon was going to set up HQ2.

The inner harbor area seems safe enough and has interesting tourist sites including several museum ships.

Re: In Baltimore, Brazen Officers Took Every Chance to Rob and Cheat

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Post by jdavis703 »

nyolfen wrote: post #6
joering2 wrote: post #5

The fallout from the gun task force scandal has been substantial. Baltimore state’s attorney has dropped at least 125 criminal cases related to the task force and continues to investigate others. The public defender’s office estimates that the number of tainted cases is likely closer to 3,000.

really just incredible. how do you reform something so broken? a clean sweep? bring in the feds?

Camden shut down it's police department, and last year had the lowest murder rate in decades: http://www.nj.com/camden/index.ssf/2018/01/camdens_2017_murd.... As engineers when a system is severaly broken, we know the answer can be to turn it off (e.g. in the case of a bad malware infection). The same can apply to other complex systems too.

Re: In Baltimore, Brazen Officers Took Every Chance to Rob and Cheat

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Post by acchow »

southphillyman wrote: post #35

Baltimore police were stealing drugs from Baltimore dealers and selling the stolen drugs to dealers in Philadelphia. Hard to believe actions like that were taking place in the U.S. Sounds like something straight out of a Narcos episode.

Training Day

Re: In Baltimore, Brazen Officers Took Every Chance to Rob and Cheat

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Post by throwaway_bmore »

soylentcola wrote: post #36
wambotron wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always liked Baltimore, but I never lived there. I used to visit every year when I lived up North, but since moving to Richmond, I haven't been up at all. I kind of miss the weird grittiness it has.

Yep. Been living here for around 12-13 years and it's definitely a mixed bag. Plenty not to like about it, but that can be said for many cities with the sort of history as this one. Not planning to move anytime soon (partly because I love living close to work and partly because it's a relatively affordable city compared to some others in the region. Suburbs aren't for me and I guess on some Sisyphean level, I don't l…

Been here for almost 4 and agree about the affordability aspect. You could buy a rowhome less than 3 miles from O's stadium for like 250k in a not-terrible neighborhood.

Re: In Baltimore, Brazen Officers Took Every Chance to Rob and Cheat

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Post by acchow »

gr3yh47 wrote: post #22
bob_theslob646 wrote: post #12

Why is there not more transparency? It makes zero sense. What is going to stop something like this occuring again? Officers going to jail?

>What is going to stop something like this occuring again? Officers going to jail? wrongdoings by officers are mostly handled internally with administrative leave aka paid vacation

Do you have data to support this claim? What proportion get paid leave vs. fired (or jailed)

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Post by na85 »

jacquesm wrote: post #23
gr3yh47 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What is going to stop something like this occuring again? Officers going to jail? wrongdoings by officers are mostly handled internally with administrative leave aka paid vacation

That's a reward, not a punishment.

Exactly.

Re: In Baltimore, Brazen Officers Took Every Chance to Rob and Cheat

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Post by gr3yh47 »

acchow wrote: post #46
gr3yh47 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What is going to stop something like this occuring again? Officers going to jail? wrongdoings by officers are mostly handled internally with administrative leave aka paid vacation

Do you have data to support this claim? What proportion get paid leave vs. fired (or jailed)

no empirical data, just following news and seeing overwhelmingly that officers do not get jailed and almost never get fired

Re: In Baltimore, Brazen Officers Took Every Chance to Rob and Cheat

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Post by patmcc »

southphillyman wrote: post #35

Baltimore police were stealing drugs from Baltimore dealers and selling the stolen drugs to dealers in Philadelphia. Hard to believe actions like that were taking place in the U.S. Sounds like something straight out of a Narcos episode.

>>Hard to believe actions like that were taking place in the U.S.

Is it? I'm a Canadian and everything I hear about the US police terrifies me - SWATing leading to innocent people being killed, unarmed black men being shot, no-knock warrants, civil forfeiture, the impossibility of convicting police for just about anything. If the worst thing they were doing was selling drugs that'd be an improvement as far as I can tell.

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Post by mcny »

SteveNuts wrote: post #41
youdontknowtho wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police unions are the only strong unions left in the country. The conservatives will come for them at some point too...until then you have places like Philly that, at least used to, have complaints against police be heard by the union before they are passed on to internal affairs. Bmore takes the cake, though...just wtf all over and back again.

> The conservatives will come for them at some point too... I really really doubt that. All the conservatives I know love the police and think they can do no wrong.

> I really really doubt that. All the conservatives I know love the police and think they can do no wrong.

I hate to agree.

Just an example https://archive.fo/QjtoQ

> A Minnesota prosecutor said on Thursday he needs more time to decide whether to charge a police officer who fatally shot an Australian woman who called 911 for help.

> Minneapolis officer Mohamed Noor shot Justine Ruszczyk Damond on 15 July, just minutes after she called 911 to report a possible sexual assault in the alley behind her home.

> The 40-year-old life coach was engaged to be married, and her death drew international attention. It also cost Minneapolis’ then-police chief her job and forced major revisions to the police department’s policy on body cameras. Hennepin County attorney Mike Freeman had promised a decision by the end of the year. But on Thursday he said his office was “getting more information and evidence, and additional investigation must be completed”.

You'd think that all the "conservatives" would demand that the shooter be hanged, quartered, and drawn. At least, there is a silver lining in this case that the new police chief knows that the public will not tolerate something like this.

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