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Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

So don't buy one. If you are really buggered, compete.

I won't, thanks for the extremely useful information. My life was absolutely incomplete until your reply!

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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So don't buy one. If you are really buggered, compete.

I won't, thanks for the extremely useful information. My life was absolutely incomplete until your reply!

So you see my point about your comment at least.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

As numbered edition artworks that would be considered very low end. The price is a reflection of both intrinsic and extrinsic value as perceived in the fine art world. Intrinsic meaning the investment of individualized effort, which include what we might call "set up costs," and extrinsic meaning: can this artist command some multiplier based on their name? $200 suggests a modest return on modest sales by an "unknown…

As a lifetime student of art I consider the art world and its notions of 'intrinsic value' to be bunk. As I said before he is free to price his art at whatever rate he wants, and I am free to object to whatever price I want.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Odd comment considering the regular HN posts urging people not to undervalue their work.

People here seriously overvalue their work. How much effort put towards peoples' countless "Show HN" projects would have been better spent contributing to similar, more-developed open-source projects? If this is the bazaar, maybe cathedrals ain't so bad... Art is subjective, of course, and an artist is free to ask whatever they want for their work. I am unimpressed and probably not the target audience (as other comme…

This is where you are wrong, many of the 'more-developed open-source projects' are what once used to be on Show HN and other forums. Instead of working on their personal projects, if people only contributed to more-developed open-source projects, then that is all we will be left with, only those softwares, no new innovation.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

#45
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$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

It's art. The marginal cost of producing each print includes the price of keeping the artist alive and inspired. Also, you should probably expect to pay more for the five seconds where Jumpman actually rescues Pauline.

I'm sorry but I do not consider experiences pursued to create art to have any intrinsic value for the final piece.

Cool, he has an instrumented emulator, but really, does playing a retro game for five seconds have ANY intrinsic value beyond worthless nostalgia?

In art all that matters is creation and output. A piece of art should not have to come with an explanation or hidden information in order to justify its worth. While it is important to fuel inspiration and artistic experiences, it's a fucking joke that I am expected to pay extra for the "experience" that lead to producing the work when it has no value to me, and especially when said experience isn't as unique as it is being made out to be.

Out in the real world people will judge art way more harshly than I. Real artists don't mind that.

Aesthetically they are nice posters and art-pieces. It's just that some of us are unmoved by the accompanying story.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People here seriously overvalue their work. How much effort put towards peoples' countless "Show HN" projects would have been better spent contributing to similar, more-developed open-source projects? If this is the bazaar, maybe cathedrals ain't so bad... Art is subjective, of course, and an artist is free to ask whatever they want for their work. I am unimpressed and probably not the target audience (as other comme…

This is where you are wrong, many of the 'more-developed open-source projects' are what once used to be on Show HN and other forums. Instead of working on their personal projects, if people only contributed to more-developed open-source projects, then that is all we will be left with, only those softwares, no new innovation.

I'm pretty sure the hit-to-miss rate on Show HN heavily favors "miss"

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

#47
post #2

$200 per print from a pen plotter? I'm sorry but unless each print is hand-drawn or something, then $200 is a bit much. Especially if there's masters sitting on a hard drive somewhere.

Yeh, it's only like probably 5 cents for the paper and maybe what, 10 cents for ink. This guy shouldn't charge more than a quarter for this!

The paper he is using is 53 cents per page according to the provided link. Ink cost is a bit harder to determine without knowing how many prints per pen. He is including free shipping, could easily be $5 to $10. There is also the matter of the time taken, the overhead of space and electricity and that doesn't even acknowledge any creativity. I'd estimate the break even point to be around $20-25. Much less than that and it would be more sensible to not bother doing anything at all.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Woah, hey, it's me! I wanted to share this on HN but wasn't sure if it was kosher. I guess someone else did it for me! I just started working on these last week and they were very well received on Twitter. Then, to my astonishment, Edward Tufte retweeted it! https://twitter.com/EdwardTufte/status/954537749234765825 I have one of his books but didn't realize he was on Twitter until that moment. I was blown away. A lot…

Cool, you wrote your own NES emulator for this? This is off-topic, but I've been meaning to write an emulator for ARM Cortex-M platforms as an introduction to the idea, but haven't had much luck finding good beginner-friendly resources.

So...thanks for writing up and collating so much information about the NES in one place!

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

#49

Woah, hey, it's me! I wanted to share this on HN but wasn't sure if it was kosher. I guess someone else did it for me! I just started working on these last week and they were very well received on Twitter. Then, to my astonishment, Edward Tufte retweeted it! https://twitter.com/EdwardTufte/status/954537749234765825 I have one of his books but didn't realize he was on Twitter until that moment. I was blown away. A lot…

Author of that PlosCB paper here, I love these plots! This is such great work, and I've been telling everyone I know to check it out.

Re: Plotter Drawings: Five seconds of Donkey Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is where you are wrong, many of the 'more-developed open-source projects' are what once used to be on Show HN and other forums. Instead of working on their personal projects, if people only contributed to more-developed open-source projects, then that is all we will be left with, only those softwares, no new innovation.

I'm pretty sure the hit-to-miss rate on Show HN heavily favors "miss"

So, the same as everything?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

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