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Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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Amazon’s Echo is far ahead of Google Home in sales. They’re trying to get voice in everything. Many companies were showing off Alexa built into their products at CES. Voice as a user interface is almost here: https://h4labs.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/voice-as-a-user-inte... How long before a significant amount of search is simply asking some device a question and being told the answer?

It's a strange world, because in terms of functionality the echo is a toy compared to Home.

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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Almost all of the magical things described are exactly why I will never own one of these. Google makes money off of knowing everything about you. Orwell's "1984" is a bit ridiculous, but with respect to technology, we are almost there. At least Apple still makes money off of selling things, I think there is at least a better chance of privacy with them.

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I don't disagree that technically that Google is better at this kind of stuff than Apple, but "millions" of devices is vague. Google doesn't release numbers. How many has it sold?

Everything he says is technically possible, but how many people are both technical enough to set this stuff up and care enough to even bother? I know people who have smart speakers, but most of them just use them for music.

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Vendor lock in through making products working together is not only present in Apple's ecosystem but in Google's and also Facebook . It looks like they changed their ecosystem to use Google Products because they have more feature that they want. All of these decisions are valid. To be honest the biggest issue with Google is the support and longevity of the software that they create. On Apple it seems like they are sl…

I don't see facebook surviving long term, they have close to no hardware presence (with the exception of oculus) and all their products are constantly challenged in one way or another. Very few people I know actually use facebook and even WhatsApp adoption is pretty low and inconsistent. In other words none of their products are essential or irreplaceable the way Google and Apple products are to some people.

Very few people I know actually use facebook and even WhatsApp adoption is pretty low and inconsistent.

If very people you know use Facebook and Facebook has over 210 million users in the United States (https://www.statista.com/statistics/398136/us-facebook-user-...) isn't that the definition of "anecdote is not data"?

If you look at the daily usage numbers of Facebook and Instagram, the data doesn't support your conclusion.

If Apple one day said they weren't going to allow Facebook on their phone, who do you think it would hurt more - Facebook or Apple (ignoring the fact that the FB experience is a lot better in the browser.)

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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All of my devices are Apple devices. A crappy Dell laptop and my disasstifaction with Windows led me to switch to Apple 12 years ago. I loved the Mac operating system and that momentum got me to buy iPads and their phones. I use Apple Music. I use iDrive. I don’t use Siri. Apple Maps sucks and as a result I don’t use CarPlay. Apple Music search sucks. There’s a bunch of thing now in Apple’s ecosystem that don’t “just…

I’m in the same boat, and resolved never to buy a new iPhone again since from a consumer perspective I believe the premium cost is unjustified. I bought my most recent iPhone on Swappa but I’m getting closer to the point where I leave Apple altogether. Last week I had to connect my iPhone to my computer (despite wireless sync being enabled), use iTunes to copy audiobook files to my phone, and then for some reason I c…

You don’t have to use TV. You can use each channel’s first party app. But if you use a variety of them, TV rolls that up into a TiVo like “Up Next” and searchable Library for discovery.

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This horrifies me! Can't think of anything I would want less than one of the big 5 US companies spying on me everywhere all the time.

What about headcrabs attaching to your face?

Had to Google that since I don't play games.;)

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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This horrifies me! Can't think of anything I would want less than one of the big 5 US companies spying on me everywhere all the time.

I've watched network traffic from ghome for over a year now. It is not even remotely "always on". It's running updates and pushing voice to commands. This seems like quite a distorted definition of spying. Is Hacker News spying on you by keeping access logs of site usage? That doesn't seem like a fair characterization either.

What can I say I don't trust Google. No walled gardens for me.

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've watched network traffic from ghome for over a year now. It is not even remotely "always on". It's running updates and pushing voice to commands. This seems like quite a distorted definition of spying. Is Hacker News spying on you by keeping access logs of site usage? That doesn't seem like a fair characterization either.

What can I say I don't trust Google. No walled gardens for me.

So, the article is about Apple and a very fair comparison is that Google is a more open and less locked in ecosystem than either Apple or Amazon.

So... I'm not sure what your point is.

If it's that you hate corporate products then... what exactly are you accessing this website on? An Amiga?

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can I say I don't trust Google. No walled gardens for me.

So, the article is about Apple and a very fair comparison is that Google is a more open and less locked in ecosystem than either Apple or Amazon. So... I'm not sure what your point is. If it's that you hate corporate products then... what exactly are you accessing this website on? An Amiga?

My point if it wasn't clear, which I thought it was, was that the article horrifies me.

Accessing this site? Linux laptop running tor browser what else?

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, the article is about Apple and a very fair comparison is that Google is a more open and less locked in ecosystem than either Apple or Amazon. So... I'm not sure what your point is. If it's that you hate corporate products then... what exactly are you accessing this website on? An Amiga?

My point if it wasn't clear, which I thought it was, was that the article horrifies me. Accessing this site? Linux laptop running tor browser what else?

So, a corporate browser using technology funded by corporate excess and State research efforts. Oh, and it's actually proven to be only a mediocre baffle on security when attacked at scale.

You rebel, you.

My dude, privacy is dead and we killed it. There is no hiding anymore, short of bombing us back to the victorian era.

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