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Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by justicezyx »

gaius wrote: post #34
justaman wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't mention Trump on this forum even if you preface what you say with disdain. You'll never go positive. I agree that the US/EU needs to be harder on China. Its been very one sided in recent years. The real issue, I think, is their disregard for intellectual property. You bend over backwards to get into their market, then a year later a government backed firm with an identical product puts you out of business. They…

They won't get away with that for long, believe you me What year do you predict they will no longer get away with it?

When Chines can produce superior IPs than other nations, then they will become the true defender of IP.

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Post by rainbowmverse »

This just reminds me of that subthread in yesterday's Facebook home device post where people were ranking tech companies. A lot of people put Apple first on respect for privacy.

It's good to have a reminder of the nature of corporations so soon after that. Tools for users to take privacy and security into their own hands need to be made accessible enough to make it truly matter.

Its like herd immunity with vaccinations: it doesn't matter that you use encryption and block trackers if all the people around you provide enough data to make inferences about the private few.

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Post by jitl »

jgalar wrote: post #6
emsy wrote: post #2

IMHO this is sending a strong signal to people like myself who mainly use an iPhone for privacy reasons. Regardless of whether or not the data is only stored encrypted at the 3rd party, their willingness to compromise in this regard is a strong indicator for their future actions and their commitment to privacy and security.

Pure speculation on my part, but could this be a way for Apple to segregate Chinese account data from the rest of their customers' data? That would seem to limit the scope of what Chinese authorities can access.

This is exactly what this is done. Apple needs to isolate its Chinese users so that only they are affected by Chinese government regulations.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by r00fus »

justaman wrote: post #20
ISL wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer that China allow its citizens to freely access the global internet.

I think(I hope) as more people in China come online they will realize that they are missing out.

Sadly the opposite might occur. Fake news is very useful. For corporations, it acts like PR/marketing channel. For nation-states it's a great propaganda channel.

What if the Communist Party of China was actually visionaries what the Internet could do for oppressive nation-states, if properly harnessed for the good of the party?

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by aeleos »

dave84 wrote: post #7
emsy wrote: post #2

IMHO this is sending a strong signal to people like myself who mainly use an iPhone for privacy reasons. Regardless of whether or not the data is only stored encrypted at the 3rd party, their willingness to compromise in this regard is a strong indicator for their future actions and their commitment to privacy and security.

What course of action would you prefer: Willingly shut down iCloud in China or have iCloud forcefully shut down in China?

I would much prefer that the license and information from apple explicitly stated that this chinese firm will only be able store and access data from chinese accounts and there is a very secure barrier between the two. However, given this paragraph

They include a clause that both Apple and the Chinese firm will have access to all data stored on iCloud.

It makes me really worried about apples commitment to privacy.

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Post by rainbowmverse »

justaman wrote: post #20
ISL wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer that China allow its citizens to freely access the global internet.

I think(I hope) as more people in China come online they will realize that they are missing out.

This was the hope with the internet here in the US. Hundreds of millions of users later, the average person seems even less informed on the world around them. Access is meaningless if good information is less appealing or is made to seem less credible than propaganda.

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Post by kome »

cromwellian wrote: post #36
kome wrote: post #18

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No, but who cares? Tencent, Baido, etc are not globally competitive, but they are very fine. You know what else is not going to make European tech industry globally competitive? The chronic lack of money, because it's all siphoned away by google, amazon, apple, and such. Do we need a global competition? Why? An internal competition in a huge market is good enough. China encouraged the development of a strong internal…

China has a population of 1+ billion who are firewalled both by network access and by language. European citizens have better English proficiency and no great firewall, hence the transaction barriers to consuming global services are easier. I’m afraid you have to be globally competitive unless the EU wants a Great Firewall.

> hence the transaction barriers to consuming global services are easier.

It's just a political choice. It's not a fact of life. Better regulation and better taxation of capitals would "firewall" Europe as well.

As I said below, language has never been an issue. Nobody is using google because is in English. Google is well translated everywhere.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by MollyR »

This is probably the way it should be. Multinational corporation have subdivisions that handle local laws and customs.

ex. Facebook Germany should handle all its specific speech laws rather than trying blanket global speech to Germany or EU specific laws.

Though at that point you start losing advantages at scaling depending on implementation.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by george3383 »

cromwellian wrote: post #36
kome wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but who cares? Tencent, Baido, etc are not globally competitive, but they are very fine. You know what else is not going to make European tech industry globally competitive? The chronic lack of money, because it's all siphoned away by google, amazon, apple, and such. Do we need a global competition? Why? An internal competition in a huge market is good enough. China encouraged the development of a strong internal…

China has a population of 1+ billion who are firewalled both by network access and by language. European citizens have better English proficiency and no great firewall, hence the transaction barriers to consuming global services are easier. I’m afraid you have to be globally competitive unless the EU wants a Great Firewall.

>European citizens have better English proficiency

"better" yes, but not good enough to make American products successful unless they are translated

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