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The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Ok, it is cheap. It is also cool. But does the techies here find it really useful? If so, why?

1. Always on and ready to go. Don't have to pull out a phone or other device

2. In my experience, understands me and responds way better and quicker than Siri on my iPhone

3. My wife and I love the Spotify integration and other little useful things like timers, alarms, etc.

Overall, it's the simply ease-of-use that keeps us using the Dot everyday.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Someone put an Echo Dot in my stocking. I’ve been ranting about these devices for a while and even recently wrote a little blog post: https://h4labs.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/voice-as-a-user-inte... Is it worth getting a Google Mini too? I’m told that it’s actually smarter. I’m going to set up my Echo so I can reorder all the stuff I hate to shop for. We’ve been waiting half a century for “Voice as a User Interface”.…

I would say that the Amazon Echo is generally better at DOING STUFF (e.g. setting alarms and reminders, playing music, adding stuff to your Amazon shopping cart ( of course ), controlling your TV if you have a Fire stick, etc). Supposedly controlling smart home gear, although I haven't dipped my toes in those waters yet. The Google Home is generally better at ANSWERING QUESTIONS and providing information. Random quer…

And Samsung Voice can't do anything well.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Who could imagine that people would install telescreens voluntarily, and pay for the privilege?

It's long been clear that Huxley's vision has won out over Orwell's.

Problem is now the outrageous cost to own a lighthouse.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Makes sense, but give me the Google Home. The Chromecast pairing is insane, a better speaker in the mini, and frankly, I'll invite Google to own my life before Amazon.

Alexa can control your Fire TV but yes, I agree. I have a Chromecast built into TV and I use Google Home to play music, Plex, YouTube, etc. on it. So nice.

Sadly it can't in all countries (bought it in UK and discovered Fire TV controls was only enabled for the US because... who knows).

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Out of curiosity, why Goole before Amazon?

Personally I resent the fact that Amazon has done everything in their power as a company to make it so I cannot stream amazon prime to my chromecast. That alone has tarnished my opinion of the company.

Sounds sort of like the lack of Youtube on Windows Phone.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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That is the creepiest thing ive ever read on HN. I am 25 so maybe I am just getting jaded but that seems incredibly intrusive.

I don't really feel like it's creepy. But I DO believe that we need to come up with a different word other than "invest" for contexts like this. Because when anyone talks about "investing" in a wifi lawnmower, or any other consumer gadget, I think they're seriously misusing the word...

A wifi lawnmower is literally investment--it is the purchase of what in a business sense would be plant assets. Capital. The up-front expenditure of cash to generate value, in the form of saved time, later.

Getting used to the idea of home automation as investment, as opposed to just business automation is something that older folks are going to have to come to grips with. But, like, I have Hue lights at home, I have to be on my wifi network to control them (Hue Pro, not the Philips app, because I like my presets)--say I bought one of these and saved a couple minutes a day just doing that, what's that worth to me? Can I put a dollar amount on it? What's the ROI?

(I got one for Christmas, so I guess we'll see.)

But this is also why we as software developers are valued: our time creates capital in a way that many (most) other professions do not.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Makes sense, but give me the Google Home. The Chromecast pairing is insane, a better speaker in the mini, and frankly, I'll invite Google to own my life before Amazon.

Out of curiosity, why Goole before Amazon?

A level of trust from past actions and comparing each, the branching out of Amazon and Bezoz with media, grocery stores, tech with AWS, and more is scary as well as how many industries they have killed / absorbed. I realize Google is doing this a bit as well, but it feels much less sinister. A friend of mine walked past a brick and mortar Amazon bookstore, which is really surreal to me. Amazon's work culture philosophy also doesn't inspire confidence. Amazon Key seems far more invasive too, and the way they attempt to integrate into your life doesn't inspire trust.

Google already owns my browser, my mail, Google Drive / Sheets, the best single sign-in, etc.

I understand the arguments for distributing your data - this is coming from someone who's given up on that privacy front sadly. If that doesn't apply to you, I can see why Amazon could make more sense for some products. For me, I more ascribe to giving my entire life to 1-2 that I trust and attempting to hold them accountable / influence their policies.

Google is faaaaaaar from perfect, but in sum it seems like the much better option for giving my life to.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Personally I resent the fact that Amazon has done everything in their power as a company to make it so I cannot stream amazon prime to my chromecast. That alone has tarnished my opinion of the company.

Sounds sort of like the lack of Youtube on Windows Phone.

Isn't it different though?

Publishing YouTube app on Windows Phone requires Google to put extra effort into developing an app for a completely new platform which I assume requires lot of engineering effort.

Selling Chromecast on Amazon probably does not cost Amazon any extra engineering effort. So, I do not believe that the two situations are equivalent.

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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I got new tires, but didn't buy a car, so they are worthless. That is basically what you are saying here. We both agree, it will tell you the weather, your commute, and play some music. Those are the things you grew tired of, but many people have their entire homes wired to these devices (me included). I don't use them daily, I use them hourly at home. It runs my sprinklers, lawn mowers, vacuums, lights, alarms, time…

That is the creepiest thing ive ever read on HN. I am 25 so maybe I am just getting jaded but that seems incredibly intrusive.

It's about increasing productivity, which saves time (hassle, etc). Time is among our scarcest of resources.

Imagine not having to chop wood for your fireplace. Wouldn't that be amazing, to save such time? The natural gas and or electricity company is going to learn something about your lifestyle.

Imagine if you could tap your smartphone and easily get a taxi. That seems like it could be extremely useful. But then the company is going to learn something about you.

Imagine ordering a pizza or other takeout and giving them a form of payment other than cash. That'd be super convenient, not having to only carry cash all the time and being able to order online. But then the company knows something about you, such as what food you like to order and when.

Imagine buying a car from Tesla or a dealer and getting it routinely serviced. Of course now they're going to know how many miles you put on it and they'll learn something about you from how you treat your vehicle, the condition of its interior, etc. The gas station and charging station too, is going to know how often you fill up. But geez it'd be amazing if we had automobiles.

Imagine if we had trains, airplanes and buses that could haul large numbers of people very efficiently. That'd be pretty cool, what a hassle it would save not having to walk or ride a horse for 1,000 km. Of course, then lots of companies and government agencies are probably going to learn something about you every time you purchase a bus ticket, every time you get on a plane.

Imagine going to the blacksmith, the store, or Amazon.com, and ordering cookware and not having to craft your own. What a staggering savings of time that would be. But then the blacksmith might learn something about your lifestyle.

I don't see much creepy about what the parent said. It's a concentrated form of the types of technological productivity gains you're using on a constant basis in modern life and throughout your day, and humans have been using since the beginning.

Nearly every single thing you touch on a daily basis that is made by people is conceptually similar to what the parent is doing in terms of boosting automation / productivity. From using a pencil you bought at Target to the drink you buy at the convenience store, you're doing the same thing, and they all involve some trade-off (most of which are entirely meaningless).

Re: The Echo Dot was the best-selling product on Amazon this holiday season

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Google is miles ahead in terms of a conversational assistant. There is a lot of friction in using voice activated services. If I have a choice of typing "Weather in XXXXX zip" in the address bar vs. asking an assistant, I choose the former. Therefore, every time I use anything else but Google, I am afraid it won't recognize my command and I immediately feel like throwing that thing out of the window. I need to be 100…

Having to say "OK, Google" instead of just "Google" (or "Alexa") is a deal-breaker.

Google's products don't feel like they are designed by humans.

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