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At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

Interesting that the behavior by Murs goes I commented on and uncriticized in the article. It is in the realm of bad behavior (asking a reporter “can we xxxx”). I suspect it is a lot more comfortable to critique white corporate culture than black rap culture, even though the later is deeply misogynistic.

Unsure why you're bringing race into this, but the article was about Vice not about Murs so it makes sense that they focus on the former more than the latter (even though both are bad, of course)

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The co-founder of Vice started a alt-right white boy club[1], which was pretty shocking to be honest. It did make me stop watching Vice & Vice News altogether. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes

> The group takes its name from the showtune "Proud of Your Boy," a song introduced in the 2011 stage-show version of Disney's Aladdin

If not for the references, I’d be _sure_ that this was a parody/Wikipedia prank. Bizarre.

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Straight from 2004: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av759j/the-vice-v11n5 "The VICE Guide to Partying Here are some of the types you'll need to invite. TRANSSEXUAL: Pre-op is good, but post–breast implants, pre–gender reassignment is PERFECTION. All transsexuals are slutty, so don't worry about that. This guest is a very high priority and should be catered to accordingly. Put her first in the queue for cocaine and…

And even that is tame compared to their earlier stuff. Its weird how they flipped from underground rocknroll to liberal party line. Or is it.

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> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

Interesting that the behavior by Murs goes I commented on and uncriticized in the article. It is in the realm of bad behavior (asking a reporter “can we xxxx”). I suspect it is a lot more comfortable to critique white corporate culture than black rap culture, even though the later is deeply misogynistic.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

McInnes is a racist, misogynistic shitheel for sure, but he also left in 2008. Since, Vice has become an outlet that does objectively good stuff with its reporting and its specialist media--I love Waypoint, I have a friend there whose moral compass is beyond reproach as far as I am concerned, and I have zero doubt that that friend wouldn't be there if they weren't convinced of the place. Near as I can tell, Vice is a…

Not sure why you're being downvoted. Austin Walker (current editor in chief for Waypoint - Vice's Video Games site) is the walking antithesis of an alt-right bro. It is a good question though: how long do you hold an organization responsible for someone or for their collective actions?

> Austin Walker (current editor in chief for Waypoint - Vice's Video Games site) is the walking antithesis of an alt-right bro.

What does being left wing or right wing have to do with anything? We’re talking about sexual harassment, not politics. The majority if the recent high profile cases have been democrats doing the harassment btw.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems pretty one way: > One woman said she was riding a Ferris wheel at Coney Island after a company event when a co-worker suddenly took her hand and put it on his crotch. So basically the letter the women sign is a license for certain men in a elevated position to assault women. I feel like this kind of shit puts us two steps back, especially when the American president is accused of similar behavior towards woman,…

> If the mainstream media wanted to destroy Vice once and for all, now seems like an appropriate opportunity. So I guess its well accepted now that "mainstream media" is not merely there to report what is going on but have active agendas to shape the world according to their wishes. It a weapon of destruction.

> So I guess its well accepted now that "mainstream media" is not merely there to report what is going on but have active agendas to shape the world according to their wishes. It a weapon of destruction.

I'm not sure what you're angling for, but they're all corporations with market interests. The NYT itsself authored the article.

Your comment appears to be reaching pretty hard to throw in that MSM comment.

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> One woman said she was riding a Ferris wheel at Coney Island after a company event when a co-worker suddenly took her hand and put it on his crotch. I have absolutely no idea why someone would think this is OK to do. Generally I can try to piece together how someone might rationalize their behavior but the best I can come up with on this one is: alcohol.

That incident happened after a company event, isn't that considered private time? I mean, she would have had to agree to go with the co-worker, during their off-hours, in the first place and he might have interpreted her willingness to go along as a signal of mutual interest (romantic, sexual) in each other? That isn't meant as an excuse for such creepy, if not straight up criminal, behavior. But as somebody with som…

There's a very good rule here: unless you have done action X on at least 3 occasions with a given person, ask them before you do it. "May I hug/kiss/grope/whatever you?"

If you've already done this on several occasions in the past, sure, use your discretion and interpret body language or subtle signs. Otherwise, ask. Period. No exceptions.

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

"Disgusting -- they should feel ashamed."

This is VICE's standard operating procedure.

'Voice of a Generation'

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

Interesting that the behavior by Murs goes I commented on and uncriticized in the article. It is in the realm of bad behavior (asking a reporter “can we xxxx”). I suspect it is a lot more comfortable to critique white corporate culture than black rap culture, even though the later is deeply misogynistic.

I'll criticize Murs as well -- his behavior is also disgusting. However, please leave racial comments out of this.
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