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Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by 21 »

linkmotif wrote: post #38
21 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody has ever held Trump accountable for anything. Hilariously, Twitter holds a lot of power over Trump due to controlling his popular account. They could hold him accountable. They choose not to. Insane. Trump is the elected president of USA, one of the most important country on Earth. The fact that you suggest a private company should police his speak is insane to me.

Why is this insane to you? Where are you from?

From a country which lived under an authoritative regime and who knows what censorship will lead to.

Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by nofilter »

Buldak wrote: post #21
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #4

"Content that glorifies violence or the perpetrators of a violent act. This includes celebrating any violent act in a manner that may inspire others to replicate it" Does this apply to videos of NFL tackles? Videos of NFL tackles glorify violence and glorify the tackler (the perpetrator of a violent act).

I doubt that sports glorify violence in the relevant sense. In particular, I doubt that people who get excited about the NFL or MMA or whatever are inspired to go out and hurt people in real life.

You would be surprised to see what motivates people to do the things they do, even if it's just a child (https://kotaku.com/grand-theft-auto-blamed-after-eight-year-...) or a teen (http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/02/16/lawsuit-grand-theft-...). And this is just one video game so you can only imagine what all those violent sports and a whole lot of other video games can make people do. Common sense, after all, is not that common.

Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by fapjacks »

prepend wrote: post #37
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean it's not violence to hit somebody with your body so hard they fall to the ground and can result in bone and ligament injuries, or even brain injuries with permanent neurological issues?

Not if it’s consensual.

That's why you can still duel with someone you dislike. /s

Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by Spivak »

21 wrote: post #33
jsonne wrote: post #11

I've gone through and reported a number of accounts that seem to violate this policy after the announcement and made note of the usernames and if they were a left wing or right wing organization. I'm curious to see if this will be enforced equally.

Many will report antifa accounts. It will be a shitfest whatever Twitter does: ban - they are pro fascists and can't distinguish between "good" violence versus "bad" violence, no ban - they have double standards for left versus right.

There's a such thing as good violence?

Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by boynamedsue »

minimaxir wrote: post #6

Specifically, there's a this policy does not apply to military or government entities loophole to these new rules, which many believe to be a workaround for these rules not applying to Trump.

Slippery slope. How many rappers will get banned for promoting violence through their music? Guns, violence and misogyny are part and parcel of rap music these days.

Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by [deleted] »

21 wrote: post #28
cryptoz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is absolute doublespeak. Twitter's not 'enforcing' anything, and as others have pointed out, they are actually making the situation worse. Now it's clear that even Twitter says if you're rich and famous you can be abusive without the same consequences as someone who is not wealthy. Ridiculous. Nobody has ever held Trump accountable for anything. Hilariously, Twitter holds a lot of power over Trump due to c…

> Nobody has ever held Trump accountable for anything. Hilariously, Twitter holds a lot of power over Trump due to controlling his popular account. They could hold him accountable. They choose not to. Insane. Trump is the elected president of USA, one of the most important country on Earth. The fact that you suggest a private company should police his speak is insane to me.

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Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by ihsw2 »

mahkoh wrote: post #36
sunsets_44 wrote: post #8

>We consider hateful imagery to be logos, symbols, or images whose purpose is to promote hostility and malice against others based on their race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin. Let the endless game of whack-a-mole over what is or isn't a dogwhistle commence, I guess.

Why didn't they include gender identity? Maybe the biggest dog whistle is the blog post itself.

Case in point, this comment.

Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by 21 »

Spivak wrote: post #44
21 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many will report antifa accounts. It will be a shitfest whatever Twitter does: ban - they are pro fascists and can't distinguish between "good" violence versus "bad" violence, no ban - they have double standards for left versus right.

There's a such thing as good violence?

Well, self defense is a generally accepted case of good violence.

Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by junkscience2017 »

sctb wrote: post #32
junkscience2017 wrote: post #9

Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Right-Wing Conduct and Conservative Behavior (blog.twitter.com)

We've already asked you to start following the guidelines by commenting substantively. Could you please do that? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

you know what, just kick me off. frankly this site has taken on most of the awful qualities of twitter. your guidelines are designed to coerce people into writing pablum and i've decided i don't want to reduce myself any further. enjoy your echo chamber.

Re: Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Hateful Conduct and Abusive Behavior

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Post by bduerst »

YuriGrinshteyn wrote: post #13
junkscience2017 wrote: post #9

Enforcing New Rules to Reduce Right-Wing Conduct and Conservative Behavior (blog.twitter.com)

If conservatives and the right wing are so worried about Nazi bans impacting them, they should perhaps stop being so much like Nazis as to make distinguishing between the two so difficult.

This discussion, and the replies to your comment, reminds me of this quote by Jean-Paul Sarte, which very much applies to the rebranded "alt-right" today:

> Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

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