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Police Homicides in the United States

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One of the worst videos I've seen on the internet is the Daniel Shaver execution from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw The Sergeant (voice in the vid) thinks he's fucking Jigsaw, and he wasn't even the guy that pulled the trigger. America is fucked.

No, America is not fucked. If these videos did not have impact then we would be fucked. That they are still so shocking shows that we haven't become police state dystopia that we see in fiction or sadly in parts of this world.

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The question discussed is interesting and important but I felt the structure of this article is somewhat unfortunate: it explains very well and objectively some of the statistical issues and solutions with censored data but then when discussing how it’s applied to the particular case of police homicide does so with a rather obvious bias towards assuming that the situation is very bad and comes up with a number, manua…

In terms of accountability I cannot think of any country where the police force is actually accountable for anything they do. Abuse of power pretty much everywhere and the police gets a blank check.

True. But most countries give their police more powers to abuse and somehow they see less of their police power abuse involving dead people. It can't be a direct reason (police certainly don't shoot to kill because they need to fulfill some imagined power abuse quota), but I suspect that the shootings are indirectly rooted in Americans expecting their police to do their jobs without ever doing more that polite chitchat unless they declare someone a clear and imminent danger. I'd rather be harassed than shot at.

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Interesting analysis. As a counterpoint to the headline that might be little fear-inducing, my first reaction when reading it was: only so little? Things must be bad. I mean: the perfect situation is when there are no homicides at all. But in a little less perfect imaginary world, in which bad people never get the chance to hurt innocents because police stops it, some bad people might still go down resisting arrest,…

This is based on a false assumption: that the proper police response to life-threatening criminal acts is to kill the perpetrator.

If you get past the they deserve it Puritan mentality, the ideal scenario is for police minimize death (of criminals and police officers) at all costs. Numerous other countries handle violent criminals in ways other than "kill them immediately"; the tendency of police officers to use immediate lethal violence can most likely be explained by the aforementioned Puritan "punishment" mentality, a strong culture of guns and violence encouraged constantly through the media (news, movies, and otherwise) and a myriad of other factors.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the percentage of the police killing are unjustified though? Even in this video the guy is reaching behind his back a couple of times, while being told to keep them visible.

You watched the entire video? It's 5 minutes of conflicting instructions and repeated death threats by a man heavily covered in tattoos carrying an assualt rifle with the words "you're f *ed" engraved on it. How were the multiple police officers incapable of handcuffing the clearly compliant crying victim in 5 whole mins? Am amazed anyone watching that could possibly defend it.

I looked at the video and I was expecting some semi-threatening move, like suddenly standing up or something. Nope, just randomly shoot the guy. This is insane.

Also, how was not the behaviour "stay on the ground, and my colleague will come and handcuff you ASAP". Where the hell are _other_ cops?

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post #26

One of the worst videos I've seen on the internet is the Daniel Shaver execution from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw The Sergeant (voice in the vid) thinks he's fucking Jigsaw, and he wasn't even the guy that pulled the trigger. America is fucked.

And it's one of many, just in 2017 and on camera. > America is fucked. Yups. Unless when you have a lot of money/influence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo

While guns are disproportionately aimed at poor people and minorities, bullets generally kill indiscriminately of wealth once fired.

I don't understand why rich Americans let it sink so far...

Re: Police Homicides in the United States

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One of the worst videos I've seen on the internet is the Daniel Shaver execution from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw The Sergeant (voice in the vid) thinks he's fucking Jigsaw, and he wasn't even the guy that pulled the trigger. America is fucked.

No, America is not fucked. If these videos did not have impact then we would be fucked. That they are still so shocking shows that we haven't become police state dystopia that we see in fiction or sadly in parts of this world.

the number of cases dismissed doesn't alarm you?

sure, it could be worse...

Re: Police Homicides in the United States

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One of the worst videos I've seen on the internet is the Daniel Shaver execution from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw The Sergeant (voice in the vid) thinks he's fucking Jigsaw, and he wasn't even the guy that pulled the trigger. America is fucked.

No, America is not fucked. If these videos did not have impact then we would be fucked. That they are still so shocking shows that we haven't become police state dystopia that we see in fiction or sadly in parts of this world.

The general public can be as shocked as we like, but these things continue to happen and the police get away with it. That video shows a policeman taking immense pleasure in toying with and ultimately murdering someone, knowing he can do anything he likes because the system has his back.

America may not be "fucked" yet, but I've no idea how you'll stop the slide into becoming a police state.

Re: Police Homicides in the United States

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post #47
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it's one of many, just in 2017 and on camera. > America is fucked. Yups. Unless when you have a lot of money/influence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo

While guns are disproportionately aimed at poor people and minorities, bullets generally kill indiscriminately of wealth once fired. I don't understand why rich Americans let it sink so far...

> While guns are disproportionately aimed at poor people and minorities, bullets generally kill indiscriminately of wealth once fired.

No idea what you are trying to say here...

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