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As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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Re: As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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I was under the impression anyone could join who had the server address?

I'm actually blocked for registering/banned during registration. I literally cannot have a Discord account 'cause it'll just get disabled immediately.

Oh, I was referring to gated meaning you can't get in without being invited.

Re: As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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So it's every communication service's responsibility to keep only the people they like using their service?

Companies that try to prevent their customers from attacking each other tend to do better than companies that don't protect their customers. This isn't new. For example, Gmail hit it big in part by being better at spam filtering. The specific issues have changed, though.

Whew lad, are Verizon and AT&T next? I heard some actual Nazis used AT&T in the past. Surely by that logic all T-Mobile customers are suspect by default.

Re: As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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More or less, yes. Fringe political views will get you permanently blocked by Discord and/or Twitter. I'm not a right-leaning person but even the concept speech should be free and uncensored if you aren't enabling a crime is an issue.

That's the problem with centralization, walled gardens, and proprietary protocols. You won't ever have a problem if you just don't go into the gardens. Self-host with mumble, teamspeak, matrix, or something. They all use the same Opus voice codec so it's not a quality issue.

then why cellphones are not treated same way? SMS/calls should be analyzed and then people should be banned from network if something is “wrong”. And by “wrong” I’m not talking about organising a crime such as terrorist attack or something.

Re: As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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Where are you getting "right wing" from? I saw this: > “Raiding and spamming is explicitly against our Terms of Service and Community Guidelines,”

Perhaps from this tidbit where the politics were explicitly mentioned in the article: > Resmini’s statement comes just a few months after Discord took action against a number of nefarious ALT-RIGHT servers. One of the largest servers, Centipede Central, became heavily monitored by Discord administrators and in the past few months, underwent its own implosion. And more importantly: > “The team has confirmed that they…

The problem is that large portions of the alt-right ideology goes outside of politics into racism, misogyny, and harassment and it makes sense to keep a community with those traits under close surveillance. My view on the alt right is that there is a line between reasonable political views and spreading prejudice against certain demographics and the alt right really walks that line (I haven't been on this discord but a good example is the r/the_donald subreddit).

Re: As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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> Yeah honestly I don't see why it couldn't replace Slack I see several reasons. 1. It's impossible to not be in a public channel. Yes, you can mute it, but you can't ever leave it. In a large company with thousands of channels, this creates cognitive overhead. 2. You can create private channels, but this requires the ability to assign permissions. This has two problems - one, if you have a lot of teams that need to…

You can hide muted channels.. then you don't see them

How?

Re: As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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American Nazis were using it to organize the Charlottesville demonstration. That's not a form of legal liability nor brand identification you want. https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/26/discord-chats-may-help-c... Also the bad people never stay confined to their private hate club. See the linked article here about "raids" on other channels or literally the entire history of Internet social media.

So it's every communication service's responsibility to keep only the people they like using their service?

There's a difference between "communication service", as in "carrier", and "social platform" as in "community".

When you run a carrier you're expected to be neutral. What people do with your service is not your responsibility. If the service is being used illegally then law enforcement can intervene.

When you run a community you have an obligation to pick and choose who participates. You can strive to be inclusive, but when you start to include those that seek to exclude you'll find your community being hijacked and perverted into someting that reflects the wants and needs of a tiny, dedicated, often highly motivated minority.

It's the responsibility of anyone running a community to police and weed out bad actors. I they don't the good citizens will leave and your community will be worthless. That's probably a bad thing if you've got shareholders to answer to.

Re: As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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It's used by all kinds of groups. Developers, gamers, but also left and right groups, etc. I don't understand what the problem is if someone who supports something I don't like (be it alt-right, liberal, whatever) uses the platform, as long as he doesn't bother me personally :/ (My account was just banned by sctb for this ;P)

American Nazis were using it to organize the Charlottesville demonstration. That's not a form of legal liability nor brand identification you want. https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/26/discord-chats-may-help-c... Also the bad people never stay confined to their private hate club. See the linked article here about "raids" on other channels or literally the entire history of Internet social media.

I bet they use Gmail too.

Re: As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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So it's every communication service's responsibility to keep only the people they like using their service?

There's a difference between "communication service", as in "carrier", and "social platform" as in "community". When you run a carrier you're expected to be neutral. What people do with your service is not your responsibility. If the service is being used illegally then law enforcement can intervene. When you run a community you have an obligation to pick and choose who participates. You can strive to be inclusive, b…

Yeah but discord is no hackernews. If they start arbitrarily moderating views that don't align with flavor-of-the-month ideology or even nsfw content a lot of people will be pissed too.

What people talk about in Discord's independent chatrooms is their own business. I don't believe that most people advocating for strict ideological moderation on large platforms like facebook or discord understand the implications and dangers of allowing private companies such power.

Today they're booting off "neo-nazis", tomorrow they'll be booting off you.

Re: As Discord nears 100M users, safety concerns are heard

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That's the problem with centralization, walled gardens, and proprietary protocols. You won't ever have a problem if you just don't go into the gardens. Self-host with mumble, teamspeak, matrix, or something. They all use the same Opus voice codec so it's not a quality issue.

then why cellphones are not treated same way? SMS/calls should be analyzed and then people should be banned from network if something is “wrong”. And by “wrong” I’m not talking about organising a crime such as terrorist attack or something.

Because ISPs or mobile providers are not that retarded. They provide infrastructure, not content.
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