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If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Post by jzwinck »

enraged_camel wrote: post #24
lostgame wrote: post #22

You know what would help shit like this? Letting us downgrade iOS. I get it. It means potential security exploits. But at least let us make the choice wether we’d prefer those to shiny new, and different issues that seem to be growing in number. Please? No? Fine, I’ll wait for the jailbreak and collect the goddamn SHSH blobs or whatever, if that’s how far you’ll make me go. My, how lucky you are that GarageBand iOS h…

Are there any operating systems that offer an seamless, out-of-the-box downgrade option? When I first upgraded from windows 7 to 10 I remember wanting to go back and finding out that it was an incredibly convoluted process. Although I guess with iOS you just can’t downgrade, period.

When I upgraded a laptop from Windows 7 to 10, and then it wouldn't resume from sleep anymore, I told Windows 10 to revert and it took a long time but worked perfectly.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Post by ukblewis »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #26
AaronMT wrote: post #16

What is happening at Apple? I’m honestly worried for them. Is their QA department in disarray?

they have to invent new things every year or a complex negative feedback starts because people, analyst and ultimately stock holder won't accept that an iphone iteration is just a little faster and has more battery

I agree that it is stupid that they have to deliver new things every year or they get negative feedback, but that doesn't mean they should deliver features that make their products worse or that QA should quit doing their job. Apple is a company with many many billions of dollars in the bank. There is no excuse for this. If their QA sucks, fire them all and hire 10,000+ new QA staff. They easily have the money to do that. If they pay all the new QA staff $100,000 each, then that's only $1 bn for the new staff and they'd probably pay a fair bit less to let the existing staff go. Apple has more than $250 bn in cash reserves right now. They can easily afford to do that. In fact, I think that probably should hire a few thousand new QA staff, firing the existing staff should be up to their discretion, but not hiring significantly more when it's clear that they have a QA problem, for a company with so much money, is not acceptable.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Post by tigershark »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #17
Karupan wrote: post #13

Not one word of apology from Apple! The workaround involves turning off notifications individually for every app, and then turning them on after the update. If this were any other manufacturer, they would be burnt at the stake. But we somehow let Apple get away with it.

Would we? We didn't burn LG at the stake for bootloops. We don't burn Microsoft at the stake for updating Windows 1p in the middle of work. Plenty of Android phones have had problems. If anything I feel like Apple gets more flak for every little thing, it just so happens this week they've had two genuinely really bad ones.

This doesn't seem a little thing to me. I use Apple primarily because I don't want headaches. But apparently every major iOS release is getting always worse, especially if you have "old" devices (calling old a phone from 2 years ago is kind of a stretch). I postponed my update because I read about the crippling battery life problems, and now there is also this bootloop...

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Post by tigershark »

enraged_camel wrote: post #24
lostgame wrote: post #22

You know what would help shit like this? Letting us downgrade iOS. I get it. It means potential security exploits. But at least let us make the choice wether we’d prefer those to shiny new, and different issues that seem to be growing in number. Please? No? Fine, I’ll wait for the jailbreak and collect the goddamn SHSH blobs or whatever, if that’s how far you’ll make me go. My, how lucky you are that GarageBand iOS h…

Are there any operating systems that offer an seamless, out-of-the-box downgrade option? When I first upgraded from windows 7 to 10 I remember wanting to go back and finding out that it was an incredibly convoluted process. Although I guess with iOS you just can’t downgrade, period.

You actually can downgrade iOS but only if you are inside the "grace" period that is about 1 month from the first release. After that point you can't downgrade anymore. In my case I always wait before updating because I have been burnt in the past, but this means that I'm outside the grace period. Even extending it to something like 6 months would be great.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Post by PrimalDual »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #26
AaronMT wrote: post #16

What is happening at Apple? I’m honestly worried for them. Is their QA department in disarray?

they have to invent new things every year or a complex negative feedback starts because people, analyst and ultimately stock holder won't accept that an iphone iteration is just a little faster and has more battery

That’s one explanation but if one company has the resources to innovate and keep up quality control it’s Apple. Especially since they have such a limited number of device models to support. I just hope this is a bad year and not an inflection point.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Post by CamperBob2 »

AaronMT wrote: post #16

What is happening at Apple? I’m honestly worried for them. Is their QA department in disarray?

As usual with large vendors nowadays, we are the QA department. From an in-house perspective, QA is a cost center. As far as upper management is concerned, it literally doesn't earn its keep... especially when consumers have shown they're willing to overlook and forgive one gigantic blunder after another.

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Post by DelightOne »

iagooar wrote: post #19
AaronMT wrote: post #16

What is happening at Apple? I’m honestly worried for them. Is their QA department in disarray?

Could it be that the amount of bugs have exploded with the ever-growing complexity of their software combined with an unsustainable pace to guarantee solid, reliable software? It seems like a house of cards right now, and it will only get worse as they keep having the next crunch time just to deliver on an arbitrary management deadline...

You could go slower like everyone else.. with less features..

Re: If your iOS 11 device unexpectedly restarts repeatedly on or after December 2

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Post by IBM »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #17
Karupan wrote: post #13

Not one word of apology from Apple! The workaround involves turning off notifications individually for every app, and then turning them on after the update. If this were any other manufacturer, they would be burnt at the stake. But we somehow let Apple get away with it.

Would we? We didn't burn LG at the stake for bootloops. We don't burn Microsoft at the stake for updating Windows 1p in the middle of work. Plenty of Android phones have had problems. If anything I feel like Apple gets more flak for every little thing, it just so happens this week they've had two genuinely really bad ones.

The thing is there's lots of schadenfreude whenever Apple stumbles. Part of that is just being king of the hill for so long. But even before that Apple always chafed nerds because of how they came at computing (appliance-like) and the whole intersection of liberal arts and technology thing which targets a mainstream audience. That changed in the early to mid 2000s because of OSX and the Intel switch, suddenly a lot more nerds started buying Apple stuff. But Apple didn't really court them, they just switched because Apple's implementation details (NeXT underpinning and Intel) attracted them. A lot of nerds, including myself, had a change in outlook to Apple's perspective once they switched, but a lot of them still have your classic nerd outlook. That's the root cause of a lot of things (like the MBP teeth gnashing).
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