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How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by ashark »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #35
ashark wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We may be listing ours soon, and if we do I'm even swapping the LED bulbs for whatever's cheapest at the store. They're only about a year old and the house will sell for zero more dollars if I leave them up.

How much are the LED bulbs? I don't think I'd bother taking the time to save fifty bucks on a house move.

Heh, it'll be less than 1% of the total time I spend doing touch-ups and such. Maybe three minutes to save, yeah, $50-75. A tiny extra amount of effort on the actual packing and move, but time saved buying new bulbs when the ones in the next house start burning out makes up for that. Besides, I've got most of 'em in in-socket splitters (makes one bulb socked into two) in crappy basement fixtures which I'm pretty sure will make an inspector look twice, so probably worth taking down ahead of time anyway.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by subway »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #32
wyldfire wrote: post #20

> do we hand over all the cloud passwords as well? Or do we factory reset everything and let them go through the dull process of setting up new accounts? Wow, I hope this is rhetorical. No, you never give anyone your password for anything. Yes, you absolutely let them go through the dull process of setting up new accounts. > When I move into a house, do I want to spend the first day looking up manuals online to try a…

> A bit of a faff - and possibly annoying to the new occupiers to not be able to easily set the heating until they've moved in, configured the WiFi, and registered for an account. I would argue that that's a failure of the thermostat. It absolutely needs to have a dumber fallback mechanism, not just for new residents, but for the current ones. (What if my internet goes down? What if the cat pees on my router?)

You should probably start by changing the litterbox...

More seriously though, this is a major pet peeve of mine. Many of these devices will also become completely unusable when the manufacturer decides to terminate the service. This is a big reason why I hesitate to pay for products that don't adhere to open standards, and allow for local/offline use as a primary mode.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by edent »

wyldfire wrote: post #20

> do we hand over all the cloud passwords as well? Or do we factory reset everything and let them go through the dull process of setting up new accounts? Wow, I hope this is rhetorical. No, you never give anyone your password for anything. Yes, you absolutely let them go through the dull process of setting up new accounts. > When I move into a house, do I want to spend the first day looking up manuals online to try a…

I wasn't being rhetorical.

If I have a separate account for my home - say 742EvergreenTerrace@example.com - then it would be easier to hand that account and password over the the new owner.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by Zpalmtree »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #35
ashark wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We may be listing ours soon, and if we do I'm even swapping the LED bulbs for whatever's cheapest at the store. They're only about a year old and the house will sell for zero more dollars if I leave them up.

How much are the LED bulbs? I don't think I'd bother taking the time to save fifty bucks on a house move.

At least in the UK some packs of LED bulbs go up to something like £50 for 3.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by maxerickson »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #37
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your house uses good standard local communication protocols, like Z-Wave, ZigBee, or Insteon, you can take your cloud devices, and a new owner can just buy a new hub device with their own cloud account and connect the devices to it. Doesn't matter what the other person has in their account at that juncture. That being said, if I was ever to leave home automation hardware behind, it'd be a "if you want to pay x on…

> you can take your cloud devices, and a new owner can just buy a new hub device with their own cloud account and connect the devices to it. That sounds like a pain in the ass. > if I was ever to leave home automation hardware behind, it'd be a "if you want to pay x on top of the already agreed upon price for the property, I'll leave it I don't want to buy new crap to deal with the crap you left behind. I'd argue tha…

I don't want to buy new crap to deal with the crap you left behind. I'd argue that you ought to pay me for dealing with some arbitrary hardware that I've now inherited. This is the equivalent of leaving some finicky boiler system whose spare parts can only be ordered from a single factory in Germany.

In context they are also more or less offering to remove it for free. I expect that includes putting conventional fixtures in (depending on the terms of the sale, but why bother trying to insist that the house doesn't come with light switches).

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by jeanmichelx »

tantalor wrote: post #4
joekrill wrote: post #3

Is this really a huge problem? How is this any different then, say, disconnecting your utilities? What's the big deal with factory resetting everything you're leaving behind?

> do I want to spend the first day looking up manuals online I don't see how this is different than learning how your 10-year-old garage door opener or 20-year-old furnace works.

I don't need to learn how a switch work if it's not "smart".

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by BoorishBears »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #32
wyldfire wrote: post #20

> do we hand over all the cloud passwords as well? Or do we factory reset everything and let them go through the dull process of setting up new accounts? Wow, I hope this is rhetorical. No, you never give anyone your password for anything. Yes, you absolutely let them go through the dull process of setting up new accounts. > When I move into a house, do I want to spend the first day looking up manuals online to try a…

> A bit of a faff - and possibly annoying to the new occupiers to not be able to easily set the heating until they've moved in, configured the WiFi, and registered for an account. I would argue that that's a failure of the thermostat. It absolutely needs to have a dumber fallback mechanism, not just for new residents, but for the current ones. (What if my internet goes down? What if the cat pees on my router?)

My Lyric T5 will revert to being a "dumb" thermostat after reset. I don't see why most wouldn't

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by bingobob »

Google's Weave has ideas of ownership & security on a devices unsure where its. we could see a day where a house of infrastructure devices gets handed over as part of the sale with this type of system.

Andrew Warren video talking about these features https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thUJARumXWE

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by erikb »

huhtenberg wrote: post #15
erikb wrote: post #10

Answer: Open suitcase. Insert 5 t-shirts, 2 trousers, 7 units of underwear of preference, 7 pairs of socks. Close suitcase. Repeat the same with laptop into backpack. Open door. Move out. Done.

You should try getting a cloud-connected suitcase and some underware with its own app, then we'll talk.

Answer: Don't do that.
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